Wolves banter 6

20 Oct 2025 13:58:59
Think really hard about what you wish for Then like me remember back to when wolves
Where bankrupt.
If like you say get rid of fosun
Think about who if anybody is going to invest
In wolves.
When wolves where struggling financially what happened.
We all prayed that wolves would survive
All us older fans can remember the glory days
Stamping your feet on the northbank wooden steps

20 Oct 2025 15:24:54
The most overused and tired phrase in football.'Be careful what you wish for'

How about another season in Europe?
A Wembley final?
One trophy?

How about positive attacking football, some goals would be nice.
Something exciting for future generations to be proud Wolves fans, instead of taking the easy option and opting for the usual suspects in London, Manchester or Merseyside?

20 Oct 2025 15:41:28
But since those days, the 3 different owners have all got us into the Premier League. Hopefully, any new owner is prepared to invest in the club and restructure the leadership team. Either that or Jeff Shi is shown the door and a cut throat, no nonsense CEO installed by Fosun.

20 Oct 2025 15:51:03
Moby - you are assuming that 1) Fosun is investing in Wolves and 2) that a new owner couldn't run the club significantly better financially so that it could stand on its own feet without the need for significant investment.
ps In case you are in any doubt not only are Fosun not investing but it is quite possible that Jeff, as I say below either due to his gross incompetence or because he is following an alternative strategy, is in fact the reason for Wolves demise both on the pitch and financially.
The bankruptcy you and I remember is exactly what I don't want to happen again which is why it is imperative that Jeff and Fosun reexamine their ownership strategy this winter otherwise next summer may well see a return to the nightmare you recall!

20 Oct 2025 16:28:57
I have thought about this Moby and yes I want Fosun and Jeff Shi gone. No one is going to spend millions on a Premier League club with a plan to run it into the ground, oh hang on.

20 Oct 2025 16:34:47
Agree QS, especially the attacking football comment.
As Brian Clough once said (I think to answer why Forest had let a few goals in) “we only need to score one more goal than the opposition”.
Simple but true 😂

20 Oct 2025 16:47:28
Was wondering if wolves fire vp who would you like to be manager I think he’s only got the Burnley game to save him

20 Oct 2025 17:42:11
Burnley's game plan will be easy. Kill the game for 30 mins and frustrate the fans. I do agree though if we don't beat Burnley VP will be sacked.

20 Oct 2025 13:51:50
I have posted less over the past few weeks as I have been trying to limit my negative posting and focus on more positive matters. Sadly there is very little to be positive about

I have previously said that Vitor should already be gone as he clearly isn't getting the best out of the squad available to him - which despite what Wandering and indeed he himself has said, (he wants to keep his job so he will say whatever the boss asks him to!), I don't for one minute believe it is what he wanted to be working with when the season started - but to be fair to him it is an awful squad.

Not only did Wolves sell its best 2 players but it seems it has also lost another 3 of the best 7 - Semedo to free agency and JSL and Emmanuel to Lemina like falls off of a cliff form drop offs.

Also, although Wolves bought a number of cheap players, (£100m for 6 players is cheap in Prem terms - there were a few players bought by other teams who appear to be excellent signings at those modest prices, but only a few, explaining why it was such a high risk strategy), only Krejci, (unsurprisingly the most expensive of the players acquired!), currently looks like a top half of the Prem quality player.

Consequently at both ends of the pitch and particularly going forwards there is just so little quality.

So the only positive I can find is that Wolves fans on here and other sites are now largely united in acknowledging the situation.

I was virtually a lone voice questioning the direction of travel post Seville being castigated for criticising for example the signings of Fabio, Trincao and Guedes.

However over the years more and more posters - aided by the, (to me at least), undeniable evidence of the increasingly poor results on the pitch and in the accounts - started to see the problem.

Amazingly though even this summer on this site I was still being challenged over my criticism of Jeff and his management of the club on and off the pitch!

Now it seems even the most fervent of Jeff's supporters have realised that he isn't running the club to benefit the club. Either because he is grossly incompetent or more likely he is running the club with a different agenda.

So where is the future - sadly it isn't old gold?

Is it possible to survive in the Prem or indeed even as a club?

Obviously yes to the latter, (although it's not a given!), but even the former is still possible!

Vitor has to go now - who on earth replaces him I don't know.

Whoever it is has to find some way of getting Emmanuel and JSL firing - maybe promise JSL he can leave next summer? They have to tighten up the defence and hope that enough results can be ground out that it is not all over by Jan when Fosun have to decide if they double down or quit?

There is simply no creativity, goal scoring or basic quality in the forward line. To change that will be very hard . Finding players of sufficient quality willing to join Wolves will be extremely difficult and expensive.

My view is that Fosun won't. They will accept relegation and hope that they can strip out whatever value there is left in the squad - maybe only Andre, Gomes and Krejci - and then hope that they can find a fool/fan willing to take on the carcass that will remain.

This is sadly going to be very ugly indeed and may take a long time to recover from.

Given my age I suspect I should enjoy the remainder of the season as I may well never see Wolves in the Prem again.

Tks Jeff!

20 Oct 2025 17:14:19
Jeff and VP have through their individual incompetences have destroyed this club.

20 Oct 2025 18:15:24
future. A very true summation of the situation, the sort of statement that whilst not being what you want to read you have to accept it. I have stopped posting for pretty much the same reason, the appalling recruitment of the summer caused to stop bothering to post because the results we've had were inevitable. All I can say to Jeff is go now you've done appalling damage to our club and enough is enough. To Fosun put up or clear off and let someone else have a go before it's too late! Vitor it's time for you to go, thanks for last season but you're simply not up to the task I'm afraid.
COYW

20 Oct 2025 18:22:31
Well I can't see any new investments or owners prior to the winter transfer window, I can't see who we bring in to replace VP, so sadly I'm inclined to agree that we could fall through one or more divisions again.

Unless something changes in the next few weeks it doesn't look promising.

At some point in the future the club will probably offer the prospects of good value to a new owner prepared to take a chance (similar to Wagner and Brady at Blues). It may however be more difficult to get rid of Fosun than we think.

20 Oct 2025 12:44:12
After that it is difficult to see any silver lining. The January get out of jail card looks a very long shot. PL status looks all but over, a very long hard winter beckons. I cannot see any quick return either with appalling management still in situ. Rated is correct we need to clear the decks and try to start again with a more honest owner. Sadly this will take some while.

20 Oct 2025 11:03:51
Rated : Thanks for pointing that out, however doesn't stop myself and a growing number of others from feeling desperately disappointed by Fosun's obvious failure to run our club in the manner fans deserve. Whole generations of potential supporters are growing up never to set foot in Molineux, nobody under the age of fifty would have been at Wembley last time we won a Cup (Sherpa Van was a trophy) and you'd be well over seventy to even remember our last League title or FA Cup victory, Fosun promised to put us back on the map, older fans were banking on them, some of us just can't wait much longer, we needed to see at least some progress in the ten years they've been in ownership, nothing! No Stadium improvements, no fan facilities around Molinex, no players who really want to be here, no local lads to get behind, in fact no players from our own Country and most definitely no plan for the long term future. Every Fosun day is a wasted day, nothing to look forward to except the day they decide to go, that day can't come soon enough

20 Oct 2025 12:03:35
Have to agree Ron, not good being a Wolves supporter these days. Greylegwolf I hope you are correct v Burnley being VP’s last chance, get the feeling we will draw and Jeff will then keep VP. Every other club would have already replaced him, anyone would think nobody wants to come. Surely even Jeff is starting to make enquiries 🤞

20 Oct 2025 13:22:10
Ron I felt utterly despondent this morning and your post as summed things up for me.
The only thing I can look forward to is avoiding relegation, ok the carabao is still in progress, but in reality it's only a hope.
We need action now, Posc went from forest in 18mins after the game on sat, will we see Jeff have the same guts and preparation should we lose on Sunday?
VP is a decent, maybe too decent a guy, but it's not working for him and more importantly the club.
We need an overhaul, we need a club spirit back, fosun are letting our history, legacy and pride evaporate.

20 Oct 2025 13:27:09
I think that's a good point Ron, younger fans won't have those experiences to reflect on, maybe lower league so the Premier League football will be the pinnacle of their time as a Wolves fan.

However, as you say us older ones have tasted success before the decline of the 80's and just would like to see some of that again rather than the continuous struggles against relegation every year. I thought Fosun were a dream come true when they bought the club but now wonder if all their big talk on arrival was just that, as beyond their first couple of years, the only true ambition now being Premier League survival, which is looking increasingly unlikely

The whole thing is a farce really and as you suggest us older ones may never see any level of success again but frankly under Fosun, neither will the younger ones. I came to the same conclusion as you a few years ago, that Fosun have zero intention of developing the club or backing it to do better, I have completely lost faith in them.

To be clear they need to sell up, otherwise what's the point of it all?

20 Oct 2025 13:29:19
I totally agree Ron Moore. Very well put. This is no knee-jerk reaction but a ealistic view of the wasted years under Fosun. Especially hits us older supporters who endured the wilderness years and the Bhatti Brothers.

20 Oct 2025 13:31:31
I think this is what the other clubs in the league and journalists want to divide the fan base and turn us on Fosun.
I agree (I've been an optimist and supporter of Fosun the past 3 years when questions have been asked) but the business this summer was awful. If we had signed the players we were linked with we would have had a great team: Pubill, Juanlu Sanchez, Abline and Casado.
I think we aimed too big and the market changed with all the big clubs spending big to keep pace with Liverpool and Man City for example.
The reality is we can't make the commercial revenue that Man City, Liverpool, Man Utd etc make. Even Tottenham, Newcastle and Villa have moved away from us.
The best thing we could do is invest in Molineux and sell land to a major investor similar to what Chelsea have done.
So a further wedge is inserted between the club and fans as prices have rose as we can't compete with West Ham, Everton, Newcastle, Villa, Brighton and Sunderland now with bigger stadiums. They have an extra 30% income from their stadiums. Its not massive but it all adds up to 5% more than Wolves.
The commercial revenue is crazy we make around £250m per year whilst Man Utd are making £800m+.
That's why even though they finished below us they can spend £250m on players.
I don't agree with the rules and feel maybe Fosun have grown tired of the rule changes since they have owned Wolves, FFP, VAR etc etc.
The Premier League stopped Wolves from getting CL football with that squad in 2019/2020 the game at Burnley will live long in my memory.
Nuno made his mistakes in the FA cup semi and the sale of Jota over Traore was a disaster.
I can't blame all these events on Fosun if any of them.
We have progressed a lot from the club that we were in 2015/2016 and the reaction of the fans is good as that shows where we want to take the club in the future.
We need to stick with the squad though as they want to play for Wolves and have shown fight over the past few weeks. I thought the first goal Saturday was pretty good to be fair. And we tried to get an equaliser which is what fans have harked on about the past few seasons going more aggressive.
The change of match times is diabolical and is further testimony to show we are just customers to the Premier League. Its too far much IMO.
As a club we need to stick together. Yes it is alarming that we are 5 points off safety but we also need to take the positives of the games against Bournemouth, Newcastle, Everton, Spurs and Brighton.
If we cut out our mistakes we will start moving up the league. We need the experienced players to take accountability for that.
But Molineux needs to be as hostile as it possibly can be on Sunday at 2pm for Burnley, the ref and the Burnley fans. It needs to feel like 8pm on a Friday night game.
Instead of negativity let's just stick with the teams for the full 90 minutes for a result.
Out of darkness cometh light.

20 Oct 2025 20:47:53
I'm with you on a lot of what you say Madman, but with the recent games, we have seen a very negative trend in our play, players who have not been performing have still been picked consistently, this adds fuel to the fire for fans to be aggrieved, it always feel much worse when your staring up the league from the bottom, the 2 draws against Spurs and Brighton compounded the frustration and ramped up the anger, as these were 2 games we had control of and threw the wins away with bad game management, that is solely down to The management team, I like VP and I hope he turns things around, he's a gent that deserves time to get this right, we can relieve him of his duties and get someone else in, but that does not mean we automatically survive, its could give us more problems.
I remember when Ariola first went to Bournemouth, he had his ups and downs and the fans wanted him gone, he was backed by club, he lost a few players but he finally stamped his own mark on the team over time.
I do see both sides of coin in all of this and yes, results have been poor, in many other clubs, VP would have been sacked, but I do think we owe him some fat, he came to us when no other coach would, and kept us up by a good margin, I'm hoping that the tide will turn, Defensively we have improved a lot from the start of season, now we need to look to change our forward and attacking areas to improve our goal scoring margins.
We have the players to compete, we just need that bit of desire to get on front foot more, release the shackles, as I think we are being over cautious.
I will be over in UK for the Burnley and Chelsea cup game, hoping we get some results and we can get some point on table.
I still have some hope the season will turn, said it before and Il take a punt again that we do, but we have a big job ahead, 3 points Sunday would be a good start.

20 Oct 2025 07:39:05
{Ed's Note - LFC-S MANGO has posted a new article entitled, Is Liverpool FC In A Crisis?

20 Oct 2025 09:51:33
Dyche is going to forest wish our owners could hire and fire like that

20 Oct 2025 10:27:53
Its blatantly odbvious. Burnley game is vps last chance to succeed
Lose and he's gone for sure
Sa
Tatchoua. S.bueno agbadou h.bueno

Lopez. Andre. Gomes krekji

Jsl. Tolo
Only my thoughts

20 Oct 2025 11:09:59
Vitor and all his staff are back in Portugal ATM

20 Oct 2025 11:24:22
May be Klopp is up for a challenge?

20 Oct 2025 12:08:07
Johnson
Tchatchua Bueno Kreji Bueno
Gomez Andre Lopes
Areas
JSL Tolu

20 Oct 2025 12:39:17
We all know that if Hwang is passed fit, then he starts and if JSL manages 1 training session this week, he starts too.

19 Oct 2025 15:36:40
Jaz : How long do you need to realise we have poor owners, ten years to achieve nothing after promising the World. 37 years since the Sherpa Van, 45 years since a League Cup, 65 years since winning the top division and 66 years since FA Cup glory. You should be looking forward to when Fosun have gone, 19 other clubs in the Prem are thankful they're not at their club. Fosun are the most short sighted. Clueless owners we've ever had, they have failed to realise the potential of the club and have no idea of the size of our fan base or catchment area, all they had to do was give fans a team, Stadium and club to be proud of, they're an embarrassment to Wolverhampton and the Premier League.

19 Oct 2025 16:32:12
Ron Moore, I think we've all been duped as the other thread suggests that this is a fake account.

19 Oct 2025 17:46:39
The owners backed vp the buck stops there i'm afraid for me. Y buy people like dija and fer lopes to not play 5hem? Mpyoui another one for future who cost about 5 plus million. Recruitment has been so so poor. We need prem players or hungry championship player. Arias not prem ready let alone anywhere near a chuna replacement. I think we are doomed this season. We are going down I hate to say it but we are in the 3 worst teams in the league

19 Oct 2025 17:48:34
I don't think that was Jas mate, the grammar was different to how the real Jas types.

19 Oct 2025 18:33:14
What do you suggest Ron the millions of pounds that some clubs are in debt we all know what is happening but don't you think that the poor on field management is also to blame with very poor tactics inadequate substitutions poor team selection we all know about the players we've lost but where would we be without Fosun mid table champion ship maybe worse there were quite a few thousand of still cheering yesterday were you one of us or do you become obsessed about getting Fosun out if they go you might regret who does take over do you want to go into admin again

19 Oct 2025 18:35:52
Did they back Simon? If you finish with more money than you started with is that backing someone or is that yet AGAIN pinching the pennies?!

19 Oct 2025 19:04:54
I hear this all the time B Hill and it's just nonsense. You tell me how many Prem clubs have gone bankrupt whilst in the Prem since the FFP reforms have come in?! I'll save you goggle search cause the answer is zero! This ridiolous suggestion of continually going 'well it could be worse it could be the Bhati brothers' is redundant old school tripe! If you want to see REAL financial strife just wait till the end of the season! Cause ironically whilst fans tell us buyer beware Fosun are leading down a financial sh1t storm if we do indeed get relagated! And can anyone honestly tell me after watching that complete dross this wkend that we aren't headed for the Championship?!
As for the poor on field management I don't entirely disagree but to do better you need two things options and quality. We don't have either!

19 Oct 2025 19:17:09
Well they spent maybe not backed but we brought in about 6 players nowhere near good enough and some not even in the 1st team

19 Oct 2025 19:50:04
They're not the Bhatti bothers in there defence.

19 Oct 2025 20:05:51
I didn't say they were did I?! No, what I'm saying is that using the Bhati brothers as a Bogey man style panic of saying a new owner= doom and bankruptcy is frankly nonsense!
Also Ard maybe have a look at some of TFGs posts regarding our finances, cause they may be a LOT closer than some think if/when we are relagated! 😭

19 Oct 2025 20:43:46
Why do failing owners even deserve support, yes we got promoted and did well for a couple of years but since then it's been a decline from European competition contenders to relegation contenders for the last 4 years running.

I what parallel universe is that the basis for unswerving support without fans airing their dissatisfaction. How many fans in truth share Fosun's belief that 17th or better is mission accomplished?

19 Oct 2025 21:18:14
The writing was on the wall at the end of last season, we were awful. But it was promised we would build for this season, all through the transfer window they say on their hands with no one coming in. We only started to move in the last few days left, when all the decent players had been snapped up. Left us with just panic buys, every club knew our situation and bumped the prices up knowing we were desperate. Hence we have signed more bench warmers. Doubt any of these will be sold on at a profit.

20 Oct 2025 09:18:13
Relegation is a big big problem. The value of the club decreases massively meaning it's less likely the owners would sell. It can cost a fortune to come back up. EFL have their own profitability criteria. If you manage to come up the gulf is bigger and it's harder to lessen it due to the spending rules. You're also shopping in a completely different store for new signings, and anyone half decent the PL clubs will still be able to buy them off you.

Stoke have got some of the richest owners in the country. Look how they have faired since relegation. I fear we're going to go exactly the same way.

20 Oct 2025 09:29:57
Excellent post Ron-only what I have been saying for a long time. The number of successive administrations that have failed at this club is a disgrace, and Fosun are the latest in that line.

20 Oct 2025 12:58:59
BB I know you didn't but currently that is just about the only thing that can be said, period.

20 Oct 2025 17:46:10
Also why did they bother signing pedro Lima just to send him out on loan?

19 Oct 2025 15:33:18
I suppose like most I'm disappointed with yesterday, not just the result but the performance. Just like in many game prior the mid field was over run. Now I don't blame Andrea or Gomes but they need a third in there.
The back four seems to work better than the back five.
And no one should blame krejci for the OG, if anything he was probably the best player we had.
JSL looks lost and need players to support him
I would suggest a 4 3 3 next game
Johnson
Tchatchua S Bueno Krejci H Bueno
Andrea
Gomes. Lopes
Arias. JSL
Tulips

19 Oct 2025 15:40:14
That’s Tulo not Tulips

19 Oct 2025 16:02:19
As an after thought, did anyone else notice that nearly all long throws from Sunderland yesterday were foul throws, as the law states both feet should be on the ground

19 Oct 2025 19:13:17
I don't know.a vase of tulips mite do better🤣.camt really blame jsl because we create nothing for him.the subs vp makes are ridiculous.we should play tolu and jsl together for longer than the last5mins.andre and gomes just aren't the same players this ssn!

19 Oct 2025 14:40:18
Jerome abbey was on the bench for under 21s against real Madrid
Lads only 15yrs old well done to him.

19 Oct 2025 15:32:19
To be honest I can understand why the younger players are not included with us being in the position we are, they probably better to stay away from the first team at the moment. Anyone think Jeff is trying to identify suitable candidates to replace VP? Realise it going to be difficult to get anyone in but surely the hierarchy should be looking. Not sure we will even manage to beat Burnley if we play in the same slow and un creative way.

19 Oct 2025 15:47:57
I still maintain JSL should be nowhere near a football pitch at the present time. Clearly not match fit, and gives the impression that he should be in Newcastle. Yesterday in the second half he picked up the ball in the Sunderland half. I expected him to make strides towards the Sunderland box. None of it, he laboured forward and got picked off easily. I know the service to the forwards is none existent at the moment, but surely Tolu or Mane, or both, should be given the opportunity to show what they can do, although without service from either wing it is very diffucult. I fail to see what position Arias is filling in the side. Your not in south America now, I don't think you can have time to dwell on the ball, and get picked off regularly. We are light in midfield and games and Andre are struggling to cover so much ground. Schoolboy error from Johnstone yesterday, allowing the
ball between his legs. Problems all over the pitch, neither the time or inclination to list all. Championship bound aye we.

20 Oct 2025 10:13:21
Banksy surely someone is, but as the director of football was bought in by VP, guess it isn't him, and as a client of Mendes not him either.

19 Oct 2025 14:34:59
Wandering star
Just before half time I left ground
Awful match hand signals v v
& sorry other player john mchalle.

19 Oct 2025 14:30:34
Vp says strand Larsen is struggling
Was he actually watching the came yesterday because they where all bloody struggling.I am struggling to afford to carrying on supporting this crap on a pension.
But want to stay loyal.come on Jeff
How about a free match ticket.