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03 Nov 2021 09:19:29
I've been reading that in addition to the Donny van de Beek interest Lage is still keen on Renato Sanches so Wolves will re-visit that one. One or the other I would imagine.
Also, they are looking to sign Hee Chan Hwang permanently for about £14M. Let's see what January brings.


{Ed002's Note - There is still interest from clubs, including Wolves, in Sanches.}

1.) 03 Nov 2021 10:50:46
Obviously Sanches is untried at PL level, but Hwang isn't. Four goals in eight appearances says that, plus a good disallowed goal against Everton. Hwang has taken to the PL like a duck to water. We could sign him in January. I would be interested in Donny as well, as he has at least settled into life in England, which is sometimes difficult to do, unlike Rafa Mir, etc.

{Ed001's Note - Sanches isn't untried at PL level - he played and flopped badly for Swansea in the Prem.}

2.) 03 Nov 2021 11:10:10
Longmynd I think in Jan we need to add 3 bodies - net not gross! .
I was thinking 2 CBs and one CM but if you take both of those 2 plus one CB it would make a great Jan.
If we get two mids you move Dendonker back to CB cover not CM cover!
If i'm being greedy I would want a back up CF in case Jimenez gets an injury as i'm not sure Hwang down the middle on his own would work?

3.) 03 Nov 2021 12:34:18
To be fair Ed002 that's been a few years ago now 2017/18, he does appear to have come on a bit.

TFOG I think that's not far off, however, with Kilman and Saiss playing so well now and with Boly in reserve and Dendonkers ability to cover at CB I think Lage will focus on a skilful attacking midfielder to play with Neves. Moutinho will inevitably need more downtime.

Maybe, a loan striker to cover Raul, but as they've said they won't take just anybody.

Still a bit mystified with the Traore situation unless a deal is already done for a January move. It was interesting how well the team worked on Monday without him. I always felt Nuno unbalanced the side just to fit him in.

{Ed001's Note - it's 1 not 2! Not convinced he has come on, he is playing in a weak league, constantly picks up niggly injuries and still the same slow-thinking player he was back then. He doesn't look suited to a fast-paced league, it is that simple. He has the speed of thought of roadkill, but you can get away with it in France where you have time and space on the ball. Similar to international footie, it is a totally different game to the Prem.}

4.) 03 Nov 2021 13:57:51
Sorry Ed001 I didn't notice that it was you commenting. Apparently, Liverpool and Arsenal are amongst the clubs considering him, besides Wolves.
Personally, I don't follow French football so I can't comment, but as you say the Prem is another level, in terms of pace of play.

{Ed001's Note - I know, I dread the thought of Liverpool signing him! Given time and space he is a good player, but so are most professional players as it is easy to play when given time and space. He also has a terrible fitness record and carries way too much weight, I have no idea why Liverpool would have any interest in him, he does not fit Klopp's style at all. At least he has stopped passing to advertising hoardings now, so he has improved from his Swansea days....}

5.) 03 Nov 2021 15:06:36
Ed001. Nothing like being a bit bitchy, speak your mind why don't you! I think with Bruno knowing the player well ATM I trust his judgement and I think if he get his shirt on the right way round he'd be better than some of the players we've been linked too in the last twelve months or so!

{Ed001's Note - hardly being bitchy, I could have said a lot more if I was. You can trust his judgement, but it was him that pushed to take him to Swansea too, so not sure I would be that keen to trust that kind of judgement.}

6.) 03 Nov 2021 16:11:58
I can see both sides of the argument here. During Euro 2016, Sanches was a revelation and got a big move to Bayern Munich but couldn't replicate his form. Swansea was a disaster and the move to Lille has rekindled his career. If Bruno can get him adjusted to the pace of the PL, he could be an asset to us. There are many players in the PL who have come from France and some have adapted well, (Marcal and Ait-Nouri spring to mind) whereas some won't (Morgan Sansom). Hopefully we will loan him in order to see how he settles rather than buy him outright.

{Ed001's Note - fingers crossed if you get him, he works out for you.}

7.) 03 Nov 2021 17:55:10
There talk of wolves in for highly rated Stoke defender 23 years old apologies I don't have his name.
I'm sure someone will put his name on.
I think sanches can be a cracking signing and hopefully like Ed001 says if we get him he works out to be a cracking signing for us.
All I do is put my trust in fosun and Lage if they sign him to me they must have the belief that he is a quality addition.
When he in a wolves shirt then all will be decided good/bad.
All a matter of opinions and this is mine.?

8.) 03 Nov 2021 18:00:43
Passing to advertising hoardings ? I might be jumping to conclusions here, but I'm guessing you're not a fan. ?

9.) 03 Nov 2021 18:02:49
I think Hwang is obviously a no brainer.

Donny van de Beek makes sense as an addition too. More attacking threat from midfield. I actually think he is slightly underrated on the defensive end too. Can definitely put a tackle in.

I'd love to see the Renato addition especially with the progress he has made. I hold reservations whether he would jump from a Champions League team, albeit its only Lille not a top tier CL team. The ingredients are there. Gestifute cleint and Portuguese. Let's see.

10.) 03 Nov 2021 18:12:15
Harry Souttar the highly rated Stoke defender.

11.) 03 Nov 2021 19:52:49
Phil - seen that but as BullyB always says the British premium may put us off?
Longmynd - I hear you re Kilman but Boly and Saiss will be gone for AFN this Jan and are both the wrong side of 30 and in Boly's case in particular are starting to become injury prone. Given we play with 3 and only have 4 plus Dendonker we are probably a body short anyway so I think we def need to add 1 and as I say would probably prefer 2 as I think Neves, Moutinho and 1 backed up by Dendonker is more "adequate" than our back 3 options plus 1.
Interesting the views on Sanches - I have to admit my only knowledge of him is Swansea so tend to agree with Ed 01 but his reviews from France have been v strong and Lage to date has done enough more than earn my trust and if he wants him v happy to go down that route.
Surely we could also have the same thoughts on Van de Beek - his time at United for whatever reason has been far from successful but his time at Ajax was a huge success?

12.) 03 Nov 2021 20:27:19
I think January window it's going to be very hard to find a club where they going to sell a premier league quality c/b.
The homegrown route agree the price will be inflated in the Stoke defender.
The rise of kilman this season has been brilliant.
Mosquera I looked back the forecast for his return is an estimate with such surgery he had usually 4 to 5 months so it looks a little too close for his return when boly and saiss are away in Africa cup of nations but it may be, (there's still 2 months before January.)
We could get a loan.player who knows it's just a guessing game at present.

13.) 03 Nov 2021 20:30:04
Sorry Longmynd didn't comment on your Traore point. If you have ever read my posts on here you know I am a massive fan!
However with Neto coming back and Hwang playing so well we do appear well stocked with "Widemen" {Podence is excellent and Trincao will have his fans as well) cf CB,CM CF.
Surely if we do sell him though we must get far more than the £35m being touted. He is twice the player Jota is and he went for £40m and look how he has worked out playing for a side able to exploit his talents better than we did/can.
To get the best out of Traore we do need to play faster and more directly than we currently are doing so but if we want to be a top side we need to do that anyway!

14.) 03 Nov 2021 21:13:52
Phil as always you make sensible points.
Yes it is going to be v hard - Jan is normally even tougher than Summer!
But despite Kilman's emergence, who has been a revelation, I think we do need to get someone in (sadly agree Jan will come too soon for Yerson and he is still a player with potential not a proven article as he has virtually no adult football behind him and what he has is in Columbia - hardly Prem league standard).
Could Sanderson be brought back and do a job - although he is also unproven at the very top level?
However you look at it its going to be interesting.
ps Do you remember us discussing the next 8 games - 5 games ago. The predictions looking good now. Fingers crosed we can close out the 8 undefeated and with perhaps another couple of wins!
pps Merry Christmas!

15.) 03 Nov 2021 21:33:45
Phil - wacky idea
What about taking that chap Nat Phillips from Liverpool as part of the money they owe us?
He was excellent for them as an out and out old fashioned stopper - something we lack when Boly isn't playing - and we shoud be able to negotiate a good deal given the "relationship" between the clubs I e they still owe us a bucket load for Jota and want to buy Traore (as will half the top clubs in Europe!).

16.) 03 Nov 2021 21:40:41
Sound mate I do remember your predictions think we both smiling now.
Long may it continue our good form.

Ps cheers ?

Lol the fireworks are too loud my cat is shivering under my Xmas tree.
Lol up the wolves.

17.) 03 Nov 2021 23:27:52
I must admit TFOG that I hadn't considered the AFN re; Boly and Saiss, so yes another central defender may well be under consideration. May even be a Sanderson recall, as you suggest.

No problem on a Traore response, I admit he is a real crowd pleaser and I do agree the game needs to keep up with him. Maybe this has contributed to his 'no end product' reputation as only the very best can do it all alone.

As the team evolves into Lage's faster attacking model he may become more effective but I just think he will get sold as his 'imminent signature' hasn't happened. The club seem pretty adamant on £50M, however.

18.) 12 Nov 2021 16:51:40
Hi Thefutureisgold, I really do have to disagree with Traore being better than Jota .
Yes he is more dynamic and exciting moving forward but loses the ball to often same when he tries to bring the ball out of defence causes us problems,and of course not much of an end product.
Jota who I rated very highly was excellent when bringing the ball out yes he lost it sometimes but had great link up with Raul hence both scored goals. As someone has said I think Nuno unbalanced the side because he had to have Traore in and I think the tactics were wrong. Jota was a tough cookie and didn’t sit on his ass slapping the floor when he lost the ball,
Don’t get me wrong I love to watch Traore in full flow but he’ 25 now and we cannot wait forever

19.) 12 Nov 2021 16:58:54
Forgot to say that Jota was a far far better team player than Traore



30 Oct 2021 13:29:18
According to 'Birmingham Live' Wolves in conversations with Man Utd to bring Donny van de Beek in on loan in January.
He's only had 6 minutes since they paid £35M for him back in September. Obviously, he is not happy and has even changed his agent, so this one may have some credibility.


1.) 30 Oct 2021 17:16:18
If he can perform as he did in his Ajax days then he'd be a quality addition. 20 games in 14 months has really stalled his career. Would be a better option than Vitinha.

2.) 30 Oct 2021 18:45:28
Agreed - wonder if we would be willing to take his whole salary which I gather is in line with Moutinho's at £100k per week or would ask/ expect United to pick up a bit of it.
Id like to agree a purchase option up front though so that there is upside for us rather than merely playing him back into form for United.
Would imagine there will be competition for his signature this Jan though so not sure how much leverage we would have to dictate conditions.

3.) 30 Oct 2021 22:01:21
Yes there is competition Thefutureisoldgold, Everton and of course, Newcastle, apparently.



22 Oct 2021 16:57:14
Kevin Thelwell allegedly being linked to the Director of Football post at Newcastle.


1.) 23 Oct 2021 13:11:25
Indeed, maybe he is being head hunted or maybe New York was only meant to be temporary. I hope its the former.



19 Oct 2021 12:52:23
Media reporting that a US investment firm have acquired a minority share in Fosun Sports to help Wolves crack the American market.
From the Shropshire Star: "Chicago-based PEAK6 Investments will inject fresh funds, as well as offer expertise and give Wolves a presence in the US, as the club attempts to expand their reach across the pond".


1.) 19 Oct 2021 15:14:21
This was all part of the plan to build our brand across the globe and increase our revenue streams.

2.) 19 Oct 2021 21:57:55
Sounds good!

3.) 20 Oct 2021 08:22:50
Will they invest in the next generation of fans who are on “the waiting list” and are going to be lost by the Club forever, we’re being left behind in the stadium stakes, shouldn’t Fosun be “building the brand” in Wolverhampton and surrounding areas before targeting the rest of the World.

4.) 20 Oct 2021 08:57:37
Good and fair point Oxley but sadly the reality is that to compete we need an international revenue base.
Gate money is becoming an ever diminishing part of the revenue pie for the "big clubs" despite the huge stadiums and v high ticket prices they can charge and I don't see how we can compete any other way? .
Consequently whilst I agree a bigger stadium would be great the priority should be 1. Team 2. Team 3. Team 4 International brand (which actually costs v little if 1,2 and 3 are in place) and 5 Stadium (which has a long and high risk payback for the investment made - as older Wolves fans will recall all too well! )
If money is short push 4 and 5 back and have another 4 Team! |!

5.) 20 Oct 2021 13:26:02
Part of the attraction of watching the champions league and World Cup on tv is to see the magnificent stadiums. How can we attract all these new overseas fans if we have a small uninspiring stadium?
If the stadium doesn’t matter why don’t the England international games get played around the country at stadiums such as Burnley, Birmingham etc.

6.) 20 Oct 2021 13:46:12
Tbf E mate would you want to go to Burnley? :P
But on a serious note the stadium does need upgrading something like 12,000 on waiting list for tickets so increasing the capacity by 15,000 would go a very long way, it should have been done when matches were played with no fans imo.

7.) 20 Oct 2021 13:54:57
E from W.
We can attract new overseas fans by having a cracking good and successful team. The stadium will follow only when we are fully established at a higher level. England games need to be played in large stadiums for obvious reasons.

8.) 20 Oct 2021 15:55:16
The stadium project will have no bearing on our ability to spend unless it is paid for by incoming revenue. Fosun can and will build the stadium once all of the options are explored such as do they knock down or enhance current stands. If for instance they knocked down an entire stand, this would reduce income which in turn affects our ability to spend. If we do what Liverpool are doing with the Anfield Rd stand, this would mean the existing stand stays open whilst initial work is completed and then only closed for the bare minimum time until completion. This option would not affect our income as much as the stand will be open for longer. Obviously in that scenario, option 2 would be the best way to go. The only issue is the land surrounding Molineux. I know a colleague who has sat in on the strategic meetings re the Stadium and the club want to remove the dual carriageway, subway and buy out the Asda. This would give them a vast amount of land but at the moment there are a lot of hurdles in the way. A number of options are being looked at.

9.) 20 Oct 2021 17:14:35
Just a thought I wonder if it may be possible to play at the commonwealth games stadium in Perry Barr for one season after 2022, meaning that intensive work could be completed at Molineux without impacting the revenue stream.

10.) 20 Oct 2021 19:27:53
DT What is the benefit of attracting these overseas fans who couldn’t point to Molineux on a map when we are locking out the local next generation who want to attend the games? How Will the club make money from these new overseas fans?
The top European teams play in the top stadiums.

11.) 20 Oct 2021 22:40:30
E there are two issues here.
Firstly overseas fans generate revenues via sponsorship deals, overseas TV deals, merchandising etc which, despite the top teams playing as you state in big stadiums, generate far more revenue for the big teams than the gate money does. This would be the same for Wolves. Sad but true the game is now all about Sponsorhip, TV and Merchandising not gate money!
Real fans don't count as much as TV fans!
Secondly the stadium is only full, (and has a waiting list for tickets), because the team is doing well. It wasn't long ago that the stadium wasn't full!
So building a white elephant stand/ stadium instead of investing in the team - and Fosun aren't a charity and will only invest money they can get a return on and an empty Stand/ stadium doeSn't give a return - would be plain daft.
Once the team is strengthened to the extent we are etablished- which we aren't yet - in the top end of the Prem a new stand/ stadium can be built which will give us greater revenues increasing the virtuous circle.
Finally TV fans/ sponsors don't give a monkeys about the stadium - just the team/ results.
This may all seem cold and hard for real fans to accept but it is business and that is what Fosun is a business.

12.) 21 Oct 2021 00:44:29
Are these new overseas fans already fans of other clubs that we intend to convert to Wolves fans by our attractive playing style and gold shirts or are they fans that are not currently attached to any other club?
Do they intend to ever visit Molineux?
If so where will they sit?
What merchandise will they purchase to make our team better and sustain players wages of £100,000 per week?
Why would they attach themselves to Wolves when top European clubs stadiums look fantastic on tv and our stadium tv view is dominated by away fans along the top of the screen?

13.) 21 Oct 2021 03:01:50
I would assume that most fans in America/ China/ India/ Malaya etc etc or any other major non European/ south American market we may look to exploit don't "support" a team in the way you and I do but will watch/ follow any team that wins - like in fact millions of people in the UK - the average Man U fan lives in Bournemouth and like these "new" fans will never visit the stadium of the team they follow.
if we get followers in new markets sponsors from those markets will want to associate themselves with us paying us money - check out the accounts of Man u etc - this is where they make the money. In 2020 over 50% of united's £500+m of revenue came from commercial activities - sponsorship/ merchandising etc.
In the year to May 2019 - the year we came 7th and weren't affected by C.V. our gate Receipts were just over £11m out of turnover for Wolves of £172m so even doubling the stadium is irrelevant financially.
The big clubs make hundreds of millions from overseas activities sponsorship, tv rights etc if we want to compete sadly it is the only way.
In answer to your last q - because the team wins it has absolutely nothing to do with the stadium.
How else do you define the big teams or how do you think they became big teams - the big 6 in England win all the trophies.
Its actually v simple - win matches money rolls in lose matches you have an empty stadium and no money
So to win matches you have to invest in the team and that requires revenue streams and as shown above they don't come from stadiums but commercial activities sponsorship/ merchandising so in this instance I can't complain at all about what Fosun are attempting to do ie develop commercial activities in the US markets.

14.) 21 Oct 2021 09:34:52
Good thread, I think Jas recently quoted Fosun as worth about 180 billion, they are a commercial company and I its probably a reasonable assumption that they have some experience of marketing and brand growth. We all want to see success and all know its not guaranteed however if it does suddenly happen out of the blue the club needs a slick marketing function that can respond quickly and cash in as quickly as possible. So whilst I would love to see a 50k capacity back asap no complaints from me about the marketing ambitions of the club. Realising thise ambitions may not happen quickly though.

15.) 22 Oct 2021 09:57:37
Arddunby - I have criticised lots of aspects of Fosun's reign - whilst acknowledging that relative to previous regimes of the last 50 years its has been amazingly succesful!
As I am v v greedy and like "Oliver" I want more before it is too late for me!
The transfer dealing of the last two years - and I know people have defendeed Shi and the club strongly against my view - have been v poor (no point rehashing as we all know the facts) and to date our exploitation of the brand in overseas markets and in the UK has been v modest ( the accounts prove this - sorry dull I know! ) .
However the recent steps show that we, as a club, are addressing the key issue of revenue streams and with Lage getting the team to play good stuff (some of the time) and win (some of the time - although oddly rarely it seems doing both at the same time! ) I am pretty excited and happy that we are moving in the right direction - albeit slower than I greedily want!

16.) 22 Oct 2021 11:06:32
Future I think we are probably in a longer transition period. than some of us realised. I recognise the ambition of the club and totally agree with your analysis about gate receipts not being a large part of revenue stream. I'm not a business analyst but if I was I would hazard a guess that investing in a new stadium compared to marketing would produce a significantly lower rate of return in both the short and long term. The more I think about it the more I realise what a difficult job Fosun have undertaken. Most of the other clubs that were taken over in the Prem era were established Prem clubs with existing 40K+ capacity and in the early days no need to worry about FFP either So the kitchen sink could be thrown at team rebuilding. Just for the record I believe we are watching the most consistently successful side since 71 to 74, yes that could change as with any club and I do not want to go back to continual championship struggles or worse.

17.) 22 Oct 2021 11:48:50
Arddunby - polish up your CV. There is a job as a business analyst waiting for you in the "City" as you are spot on with everything you say.
Also remember in 71-74 football was a lot simpler as no one had any money and it was all about talent development/ scouting, tactics etc.
Hence Ipswich for example could be a European super power on the back of Bobby Robson and Derby and Forest bestrode the game as a consequence of the genius that was Brian Clough.
Now the CEO/ owner is the most important person at the club as the game is simply about money and global money at that.
Hence Chelsea are European Champions and the big 6 exist and have won virtually all of the domestic trophies for many many years now.
In Fosun we have a pretty good owner but as you say it is going to be v v hard as the big 6 aren't going to let us take their ball away without a fight ( and a dirty one at that! ) .
I also struggle to see Newcastle sweeping to the top any time soon despite the owners ambitions as the big 6 will ensure every barrier that can be put in their path will be.
Leicester, WH and one or two others including hopefully us are pushing at the door but it isn't going to be easy and I accept patience - not something io have in abundance is going to be needed. [I guess that is why I am so intolerant of the obvious mistakes made by the club in the last 2 years - we were/ are close to becoming a member of the big "7" (or 6 or 8? ) but we have v v few chances to cross the divide and mistakes that put us back a couple of years and several places in the league are thus v hard to stomach! ].

18.) 22 Oct 2021 19:58:59
Great thread gents good to read. I've always thought and obviously this is just a personal view that the building of the John Ireland stand was a totally wasted opportunity. For me once the clock and the stand went it was a chance to go and build an out of town stadium with space around it so it would be easier to cope with crowds and keeping visiting crowds out of the town centre. I guess even then it wouldn't get support from everyone but maybe people would see the logic. I think even now it would make sense and easier to manage crowds and think of the multi use it could have with easier motorway accessif built in the right place. Not needing so many reasons for not having events and generating funds for the club? As I said only my opinion back then we had massive crowds crammed in. Obviously you can't do that anymore.

19.) 22 Oct 2021 21:15:28
Ken - also apologises to you for not replying re Derek Parkin.
Surely if Terry Cooper - one of the best 3 English LBS in my life time ( Cole and Sansom being the other 2) had not played at the same time he would have got a bucket load of caps. V solid player in a team that was - even including Nuno's team - our most succesful side since the 50s!

20.) 22 Oct 2021 22:00:04
future you are right in that respect Derek just arrived at the right time for us but not for England. Great shame. Likewise for quite a few players back then. Kenny Hibbit for a start though I think he played for the Football League in a representative game against Italy I think or maybe that's in my imagination!

21.) 23 Oct 2021 13:16:38
The old Division 1 was full of English International calibre players back in the 70's, John Richards being another who missed out. How we failed to qualify for the later stages of international tournaments from 1972 to 1980 is baffling to me.

22.) 24 Oct 2021 11:00:08
Arddunby and Ken - it was a strange period. The "greats" according to the fans - Bowles, Marsh, Hudson, Currie, Mckenzie, Worthington, Osgood etc etc were not really recognised by England but Peter Storey, Brian Greenhof, Mike Pejic, Bob Latchford, Trevor Cherry and countless other solid uninspiring journeymen were often choosen.
Sadly not unlike many Wolves fans today the various England managers of the 70's weren't too keen on erratic skill and preferred stable solidity - Brian Greenhof and Peter Storey probably got more caps than Hudson and Currie!
ps Ken I had purple velvet flairs in the late 60s and lots of flower power shirts and big big ties!
Maybe the 60s and 70s weren't all that great after all!

23.) 24 Oct 2021 20:18:25
Future you're correct and you've failed to mention the greatest manager of the period who was regularly overlooked.

24.) 24 Oct 2021 20:40:09
future and I thought we had great taste and pride in what we wore, or maybe not!



19 Aug 2021 09:55:35
Barcelona have offered Wolves Ilaix Moriba for £12.8M, apparently.


1.) 21 Aug 2021 18:59:56
So when you lot are cheering for that two faced scab person tomorrow just remember that if he had been offered the arsenal job he would have been gone like a bullet. How he engineered a way out and will probably try and poach our best players. Horrible bloke. No time for him whatsoever.




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24 Nov 2021 20:48:21
After 16 months out it seems Jordao is back training with the first team squad. Lage has stated he has 6 weeks to stake a claim before the January window. Not sure if that implies a sale or loan, if he fails.
Personally, I hope he makes it as from what I remember he looked very decent before his injury. He could be the attacking midfielder we've all been calling for. Thoughts?


1.) 24 Nov 2021 23:45:06
I said something similar a week or so ago, Lage keeps mentioning him so feels like he’s in the plans. Just hope he can take his chance.

2.) 25 Nov 2021 08:31:29
Sorry Goat must have missed that, but I do remember him as a classy looking player, so let's hope he does bring something.

3.) 26 Nov 2021 18:10:54
With Jordao being part of the deal that brought Neto to our club if he can bring anything close to that level he will be a big asset to us. I certainty hope so!



24 Nov 2021 10:03:22
Just thinking about how this season may unfold. Some on here and other forums have suggested that a mid table finish would be "ok with them", why?
Since Fosun took over and since our promotion our 'mean position' in the Prem is actually higher. I know last year was a bit poor for, as I see it, 3 reasons. 1) The sale of Jota and Doherty. 2) Appalling injuries to key players. 3) Nuno trying to compensate by tinkering with the playing style and failing.
So 2 successive 7th place finishes then the dip and now a quarter of the way into this season sitting in 6th following a change in Manager/Coach. This even though we have suffered long term injuries to other key players.
I know this change was from the start of season so we didn't really get a sense of 'new Manager bounce', maybe in performances, but not results. Personally, I prefer t watching the team and Manager grow into a relationship rather than a couple of quick results before resorting back to type. Even so we are sitting in 6th.
Is it unreasonable to conclude, therefore, that Wolves really are an upper top half Premier side and should be respected as such.


1.) 24 Nov 2021 11:07:34
I suppose mid table depends on definition, places 10 - 11 is narrow 8 - 13 wider definition. let's see after we have played 19 matches against all the other teams. At the moment we are about 7 points to the good on like for like matches the games against Villa Everton and West Ham producing 9 points compared to none If I have calculated correctly. The next 2 against Burnley and Norwich will tell us a great deal, at times in the past we have slipped up in these type of fixtures when the going looked good, anything against Chelsea, City, Arsenal and Liverpool this year will be a huge bonus. 25+ points after 19 matches would put us close to 7th again 19 after 19 is squeaky bum time.

2.) 24 Nov 2021 11:59:45
7th to 10th is a good season for me based on:

1: Performances last season and the incoming players so far this season.

2: Other clubs spending more than us.

3: Injuries to 2 of our key players (Neto and Jonny)

4: Lage only having a partial pre season due to the Euros to implement his tactics.

3.) 24 Nov 2021 12:55:43
Some good points raised and actually Jas the partial pre-season probably contributed to the first 3 results.
This year feels different to me, I know we aren't scoring many but we aren't conceding a lot either. I think we will mostly beat the teams below us and as for the top 6, well who would have predicted the West Ham result. Wolves made a side that has been on fire look decidedly average and should of won that game 3-0.
As for the others in that group, I'd say don't write us off, history proves otherwise.

4.) 24 Nov 2021 13:20:36
10th or above would be a good season for us then push on

5.) 24 Nov 2021 16:18:35
I'm taking nothing for granted yet. Wolves always make a habit of doing things the hard way. We could just as easily lose to Norwich and Burnley then go on to beat Chelsea and Man City afterwards.

We could finish 6th just as easily as 16th, but the future looks good to me.

6.) 24 Nov 2021 17:26:22
It really is a game by game season so far with a bit of luck both for and against. I think we're growing in confidence and if we had that killing goal scoring finish we'd be a real top 6 bet. As said before Burnley and Norwich are games we can slip up in and then do the top runners. If we are to finish 6-7th the next two games are must wins and then 4-5 points more before January. After that we don't know what players we may or may not have so it's fingers crossed. Above 10th finish for me.

7.) 24 Nov 2021 18:30:30
Now we are in
sixth spot,no less for me,top four our aim now.
And a good Jan transfer window ??
Anythings possible

8.) 24 Nov 2021 20:07:35
Greylegwolf. I see your point but I suspect top four is going to just be an aspiration for some time. I think its possible for another team to break up the so called big boys but its going to be the ability to stay there will be the problem. A consistent top ten finish would be a great start. You need a steady growth in your revenue streams to have a chance and a steady flow of quality players in your squad. We don't have that yet. I think Fosun have accepted that fact and revised their plans. Obviously we are not privy to them being Chinese they are after all inscrutable are they not!

9.) 24 Nov 2021 20:34:17
Interestingly its being reported that Mendes agency gestifute are under investigation in Portugal again.

10.) 25 Nov 2021 07:24:54
Lage has been saying he's seeking consistency which before the palace game on our unbeaten run form team of the league we were bought back down to earth with the palace result and abject performance.

Like has been mentioned I'm waiting till 19 games have been played to give myself a better Idea.

Next 7 games liverpool man City Chelsea other 4 Norwich Burnley Brighton and Watford.

If we get 11 points from those 7 game will take us to 30 points 19 played.

At beginning of the season with new head coach being for me the major factor of not knowing if players will take to him etc I'm happy.

To put in perspective if we do get to 30 points 19 played which there is a very very good chance we will 10 points from the remaining 19 games to hit magical 40 points.

This our best start to season since back in premier league.

The victory of west ham was our third home win on the bounce in the top flight a feat not done since 1980.

When players are available in the transfer windows we will get them in so for me personally the wolves under fosun are giving me the best team and players I have seen in my lifetime.
If older generation who have seen wolves good pre 80's and want to see wolves win something again I understand that but it has been over 40 years since last major trophy.

Ps imo I believe it is naive to expect major signings in January as will only end up disappointed.
January window is traditionally not the best window to have major players available.

I'm staying humble and patient in our progression.

11.) 25 Nov 2021 11:53:52
Phil. Excellent analysis and points well made my friend. Take care young man you did miss a few good teams by being born a bit late!

12.) 25 Nov 2021 14:20:41
Thanks Ken The wolf pack everyone of us no one could ever say we wouldn't deserve success.
We win a trophy I will buy a whisky and raise a glass to all you elder guys,

13.) 25 Nov 2021 16:58:39
Evening all, been a while since I was last on here, things are ticking along nicely, I'm quietly confident the season will keep moving in the right direction, we have our mojo and bond back within players and Lage seems to have a few different ideas when we come unstuck.
For now I will be enjoying what is on show.

14.) 25 Nov 2021 20:15:27
Good post as normal Phil,
And I totally understand your thoughts ken,
Time will tell,but I'm in that confident mood again,and dreams sometimes come true,
Let's be positive,up the wolves
Ho ho ho

15.) 26 Nov 2021 06:40:41
It's what's it all about greyleg mate enjoying and believing ???

Nice to see you post Sydney ?




22 Nov 2021 10:32:44
After a recent discussion on here about Wolves and teams like us not getting the column inches that the Media favourites get. interesting that Connor Coady pops up as a pundit on MOTD2. As a current player in the Prem I think his comments were appreciated by most as a change from the ill researched rubbish from the usual former journeyman players turned experts. But then, shock horror, they did a mini piece on Wolves at the end and publicised the Jimenez documentary on iplayer.
Funny old game innit.


1.) 22 Nov 2021 11:40:32
I was going to say something similar longmyndwolf, a good bit of publicity and getting the wolves name out there in a positive fashion. I also looked up revenues and it seems we’ve made the list of top 30 revenue earners in Europe for the last 2 seasons, to me that shows fosun are doing an ok job at increasing the brand which should help us spend more. But tbh I’m no expert in that field.

2.) 22 Nov 2021 13:23:01
That's good to hear Goatmark1 because I've even contacted the club to try to research how well the various Wolves related business ventures are progressing, with no success. Fosun keep everything very close to their chest, not just transfers.
Having said that about the pundits I do rate Jermaine Jenas as he seems both knowledgeable and unbiased, was a good player too.

3.) 22 Nov 2021 14:58:43
I wasn't aware of coady on mod2 but of course to publicise the raul doc it makes sense. I havnt seen the doc but I'm told it's quite a moving reflection. Coady as a pundit reminded me of the Doog attempting it for itv I think during I assume one of the 70s world cups, it was sort of before Saint and greaves and he was sort of out of his depth. If I remember right his choice of suits were more exciting. Anyone else old enough to recall it?

4.) 22 Nov 2021 18:00:30
Abbey his suits were louder than the commentary from memory!

5.) 22 Nov 2021 20:53:58
Abbey I think that era 70 to 74 was the beginning of the expert panel controversies that have led to the profusion of ex players in the broadcast media. I suspect in rhe early days high profile personalities were selected to deliberately generate controversy. Brian Clough telling Kevin Keegan he didn't know what he was talking about and Keegan storming off being a memorable moment.

6.) 22 Nov 2021 23:39:43
You can catch both on BBC iplayer Abbey. I think the Doog screwed up far more than punditry in his post playing days, wasn't he involved in a certain period of disastrous ownership of the club?
Coady does seem to get more TV exposure than most at the club, hopefully even more, if he becomes England's full time captain. Now that would be good PR for the Wolves as the media would have to respond accordingly.

7.) 23 Nov 2021 11:45:23
Correct on many counts longmynd, Coady fits the bill perfectly for media work, personality, confidence, enthusiasm willing to support minority issues and no disrespect meant but as a first language speaker obviously has a better use of English than many of the squad. He's almost another Emlyn Hughes in many ways.

8.) 23 Nov 2021 15:37:35
Their Wolves love affair was short lived it's back to being about Man Utd now

9.) 23 Nov 2021 21:20:09
Thanks longmndwolf, seeing nuno still emotionally hit by rauls injury and really taking in the seriousness of the impact was spine tingling. It makes me realise the strength and character of the club and more obviously of raul to return to premier action. What a player, what a man. And how grateful I am to have such a player in a old gold shirt.



21 Nov 2021 10:34:34
A really good win yesterday, making an in form team look pretty ordinary.
Interestingly, we are in 6th place having only scored 12 goals, the 4th lowest in the league. With the exception of Wolves and Everton (0 goal diff) only the top 4 teams (plus Crystal Palace having +1) have positive goal differences.
As much as I'll take a 1-0 win all day long is there a question to be asked about our seeming inability to score? Which is odd given Lage's attacking intentions, plenty of chances created but on this evidence pretty woeful finishing, with 13 teams having scored more. Logically, our league position must be mainly thanks to our defence and goalkeeper as our conceded total is the 4th best in the league. So 12 games in, scored 12, conceded 12, goal diff 0. If this carries on, is a top 6 finish likely?


1.) 21 Nov 2021 11:09:38
Don't get greedy eh, as long as we score more them! Against Everton only Pickford saved them from five or six. Arguably we played him into form for England as he was not particularly good before our game.

2.) 21 Nov 2021 11:56:59
Possibly longmynd.
Podence looked good and unlucky a couple of times but he knows how to finish same with whang.
Jimenez is brilliant and we're blessed to have an all round striker as good as him.
He does everything score assist defend good in the air good at tackling good at dribbling and good at linking up play.
Trincao and Traore on the bench both this season should of at least 2 goals each.
Saiss agaisnt mam utd
There are over a handful of goals that 99 out of 100 would be scored.

I think our goal scored column doesn't reflect truly on how we play.
But needs to be addressed as not taking chances puts extra pressure on our defence.
I have hope we will sort it out.

Lage saying he wants points points as the winter we have many games and very tough matches.
I forsee the team must get max points against Norwich and Burnley
But I also forsee we being a match for the big teams over the winter.

19 points from 12 games if asked at beginning of the season with Lage new manager would you take that every wolves fan surely would say yes.
Therefore if true expectations exceeded so far a lot more to think we're going places than not.

3.) 21 Nov 2021 12:15:49
I don't see how my post implies greed Ken. We have played 12 games into the season and having scored just 12 goals find ourselves in 6th. My question was, is this enough to maintain an upper top half finish. As I said I'll take a season full of 1-0's, but is this likely to happen?
Goalkeepers can only make saves if the attempt on goal is saveable and you get nothing for a near miss, which was my point on finishing.

4.) 21 Nov 2021 12:56:54
1-0 is enough but nail-biting.

5.) 21 Nov 2021 13:55:36
6th in The Premier League and the 4th best defence.
Long may the absence on here of the Bruno doubters and the Neves and Semedo haters continue.
Great team display yesterday and great work from the South Bank in response to the Hammers bubbles song?

6.) 21 Nov 2021 14:16:34
What was the goal attempts in 1st 3 games? Something like 59 and no goals. One goal in anyone those games would have earned a point. But I never expected anything from those games so just generating the chances was encouraging. To now be 6th having only scored 12 shows how valuable a single goal can be. I said then and maintain now well surprise someone be it Chelsea or City Liverpool or whoever. Keep making chances and a goal will come. Keep defending tightly and goals against limited. I'll take 1-0s all season but Norwich Burnley are the game we have to be consistent in after yesterday. We're far from the finished product but on the right direction. In Bruno we should trust.

7.) 21 Nov 2021 14:18:24
Hate is a very strong word, maybe you think you hate people but really you are probably just disappointed with their performance and they are not players you would have chosen. Other people criticise players myself included on their performances I don’t hate them far from it I want then to improve and help our club.

8.) 21 Nov 2021 16:16:44
Longmynd. It was commen5 in jest tbh. It is a worry I'd love to see more goals but with the lack of investment in the players we know we've needed for the last eighteen months I think we are hitting above our weight to be honest. Its great to see but I'm not sure we can hold this position into January, though I hope we can. If we get injuries we are likely to struggle a bit. Let's hope the new year see a couple of first team standard players come in. I certainly hope so.

9.) 21 Nov 2021 17:17:34
No problem Ken, I like your style. Like you, I feel we need some proven additions, ones who can hit the ground running as we need help now, not in 5 years time. I think we have some very good players and could become a top team in due course but stats like, 59 attempts but no goals in the first 3 games, make you wonder. Finishing has to be a priority.

10.) 21 Nov 2021 18:27:48
People hark on about Traore and Trincao's missed chances but just for balance he may well have scored a cracker yesterday but even Jimenez missed a simple 1 on 1 having gone through, chipped the keeper but it dribbled past the post (and was so slow it would have been cleared if on target). Not the first simple chance he's missed this season either but yes he is still a world class striker and easily the best we have, people seem to forget his misses but always remember Traore's (it's a funny old game!).

11.) 21 Nov 2021 18:30:29
Cows bum and bajo spring to mind mate!

12.) 21 Nov 2021 20:56:34
Wolfflea I forget about jiminez miss because I know he will score and I was right he did.
It's how it is.
If I had faith in Traore it would be because I think the same but I don't know if Traore will score because he misses more than 9 times out of ten.

Trincao and saiss misses my other examples were virtually dead cert goals.
And I did say more than a handful.

I have no agenda agaisnt Traore just saying what's in front of my eyes.
Wish the people who back him could just see that.

13.) 22 Nov 2021 11:43:40
Absolutely spot on Phil, I find it hard to believe anyone could doubt his talents. I just wish they would hold their hands up and admit he’s not really in control and as a result he’s just next to useless at scoring or even assisting.

14.) 22 Nov 2021 12:53:45
Its only the ones who refuse to accept reality who will be affected Norfolk.

The Wolfpack will be 100% together one day when we win something.

Always believe or may aswell go and watch curling or bowls down the legion. lol.

15.) 22 Nov 2021 19:01:56
Phil - sorry wasn't having a go at anyone and my post was more about Jiminez than Traore, it was just a comment on the fact that few seem to remember the Jiminez misses.
I agree Traore is very frustrating as he does have world class abilities if only he had better end product, had one great run after coming on Saturday but shot straight at the two defenders in front of him when Jiminez had pulled away right and was in the clear with a decent pass to him (someone was free on the left aswell but can't remember who as I think it was after Hwang had gone off).

16.) 22 Nov 2021 19:56:04
Sound wolfflea,
I agree 100% what you say,
The tense posts on Traore made me explain what I posted so I'm sorry too pal for doubting the Wolfpack.

Lol no ones perfect ironically even the mighty Raul.???



18 Nov 2021 19:48:44
Just read on a West Ham news site that Moyes has been handed a boost as 4 Wolves players are ruled out of the game against West Ham.
Concerned, I read further, they are Jordao, Neto, Jonny and Mosquera.
Honestly, you couldn't make this garbage up.


1.) 19 Nov 2021 06:52:39

2.) 19 Nov 2021 18:48:33
Well I hope moyes adjusts his line up accordinhly. I liked adamas interview today saying he'd got more to give and being aware of one to one with keepers. I hope he starts tomorrow and I think we'll take the wind out of the hammers sails. 4-2 to a much improved wolves at the mol I hope. COYW. Looking forward to a classic.

3.) 19 Nov 2021 19:38:51
I agree Abbeywolf, glad to see Adama isn’t hiding from the facts. Just hope he can back up his words. It’s also good to see Lage mentioning Jordao a lot, fingers crossed he’s the missing piece in midfield.

4.) 20 Nov 2021 11:05:00
Won six of seventeen home games since the start of the year, hardly ever beat a team above us in the table, scoring at a rate of less than once a game, West Ham will move to second in the table if they avoid defeat, bookies have us priced at over 2/1 to win, with the players we have we shouldn’t be underdogs for any game played at Molineux, we’re getting to the stage where every game looks hard and with December fixtures in mind we might just be searching for a new Head Coach in time for the January window.

5.) 20 Nov 2021 17:16:28
I think you should take the team talk again next week Oxley.




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25 Nov 2021 11:52:41
Let's hope so Wolfflea71, him and Kilman together, backed up by Boly, Saiss and Sanderson sounds pretty good to me.




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24 Nov 2021 20:33:08
That is way too low wombourneron, I think that came from the belief that Wolves have to raise cash to buy Hwang in January. Which imo is BS as why would they start that conversation if they couldn't afford him. However, if a Traore transfer facilitates moves for the new players Wolves need/want and can get in January, I'm sure they will sell him.




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22 Nov 2021 10:17:07
Didn't Hwang join Wolves to get game time, pretty much guaranteed thanks to his performances to date. Surely the option to sign is already a pre-agreed deal between all parties, with Wolves holding the cards.
I can't see Hwang wanting to go back to bench warming duties when he can play every week for us.




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11 Nov 2021 14:17:42
Scroll down 6" ITK RM J, we've already had this conversation




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03 Nov 2021 23:27:52
I must admit TFOG that I hadn't considered the AFN re; Boly and Saiss, so yes another central defender may well be under consideration. May even be a Sanderson recall, as you suggest.

No problem on a Traore response, I admit he is a real crowd pleaser and I do agree the game needs to keep up with him. Maybe this has contributed to his 'no end product' reputation as only the very best can do it all alone.

As the team evolves into Lage's faster attacking model he may become more effective but I just think he will get sold as his 'imminent signature' hasn't happened. The club seem pretty adamant on £50M, however.





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26 Nov 2021 23:08:17
Most of the pundits are Jas. Too lazy to do any proper research before they comment. All experts on Liverpool, Manchester and London clubs mind you. The fact that Wolves are one of the top form teams in the Prem is lost on them.




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26 Nov 2021 12:29:10
Is it that I have visited 8 of the current Premier League grounds over the years, but not the other 12. That's actually true. ???




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25 Nov 2021 08:31:29
Sorry Goat must have missed that, but I do remember him as a classy looking player, so let's hope he does bring something.




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24 Nov 2021 12:55:43
Some good points raised and actually Jas the partial pre-season probably contributed to the first 3 results.
This year feels different to me, I know we aren't scoring many but we aren't conceding a lot either. I think we will mostly beat the teams below us and as for the top 6, well who would have predicted the West Ham result. Wolves made a side that has been on fire look decidedly average and should of won that game 3-0.
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22 Nov 2021 23:39:43
You can catch both on BBC iplayer Abbey. I think the Doog screwed up far more than punditry in his post playing days, wasn't he involved in a certain period of disastrous ownership of the club?
Coady does seem to get more TV exposure than most at the club, hopefully even more, if he becomes England's full time captain. Now that would be good PR for the Wolves as the media would have to respond accordingly.