Wolves Banter

04 Dec 2024 19:01:25
Prime Video 7:30 tonight. 0-2 it will be.

04 Dec 2024 14:44:16
So who gets the sack tonight o'Neil or dyche? I got a horrible feeling it's going to be a draw.

04 Dec 2024 16:26:15
I doubt it will be either tbh, feels like both owners are content with managers who might not be seen as top quality. If for slightly different reasons, Everton trying to keep the ship steady till they are sold and us with a project for the future imo. Personally I think Lopetegui will be the next to go, spent a lot in the summer with a few of his signings not even playing much. West Ham fans seem to get grumpy quickly even when winning European cups. Question is would we prefer them manager less or still with Lop in charge by the weekend?

04 Dec 2024 16:36:21
Same situation on Monday with west ham. Time will show who goes first. Could well be GON who gets the other two fired. Cruel business

04 Dec 2024 17:09:03
Yep. I think we'll get 4 points from the next 2 games, starting with a 3-1 win tonight and a draw against WHU. COYW.

04 Dec 2024 18:02:38
Then a win v Ipswich and a point at Leicester

03 Dec 2024 22:21:45
Quite a variety of opinions about the solution to our predicament, but even If GON or anyone else got us playing well, would our best players be sold off again to raise money so he would have to rebuild?

Is this is the cycle we are now doomed to follow, unless we get relegated? Changing the Coach may be helpful, even necessary right now, but the overriding problem would still remain and therefore return to haunt us.

Only Fosun can sort this.

03 Dec 2024 23:38:50
I don’t understand the speculation every day. We’ve gone over it again and again and the general consensus is fosun are screwing the club and taking the money. But still people are posting the same thing over and over. What’s it actually achieving other than getting people more annoyed about the situation. What answers are you hoping the fans can provide? Talking of cycles it seems most on here are in a cycle of their own. Yes it’s bad at the moment most will agree, yes fosun are the only ones who can answer the questions so why ask on here. It seems your objective is to make people be fearful and worry about their club.

Personally I think we will be fine, yes we will sell players and buy more. Gon will stay until we are halfway through the season. Or start to get cut loose. I don’t think fosun will sell unless it becomes toxic which we aren’t far from. Challenging var isn’t the actions of a management who are disinterested. But I’ve said similar before so what’s the point saying it every day. The same questions are being asked and same statements that we are getting relegated, Gon isn’t good enough, fosun want to sell etc etc. Never understood the point in speculation, why not just wait and see.

03 Dec 2024 23:55:20
Long, your post from a couple of days ago says about a self fulfilling prophecy, my understanding of that term is when you tell yourself something over and over again you eventually make it true. Isn’t that what a lot of posters on here are doing, say the manager is bad, you perceive the manager to be bad, say the club is badly run, you perceive that too etc.

I believe Gon is a relatively good coach who is learning on the job, I believe fosun have faith in him as a project and will stick with him as long as possible, I believe we will be fine, I also believe we have been unlucky with the start, we make good teams look average and lose by fine margins.

As someone said recently we play better away, maybe it’s because the away fans have more faith, or that the negativity of 28000 home fans is too much for the team to perform. Similar happens at West Ham when their fans turn. Sorry for the rant it’s hard to stay positive when there so much criticism of the club.

04 Dec 2024 06:55:06
I believe wolves fans must be the most faithful and patient fans in the world looking back at the last seven eight months. Its just in the last weeks that most people have started to get negative against GON. In any other club GON would have been long gone.

04 Dec 2024 07:02:24
Isn't the continued debate spawned from a silence of Fosun as to their what to express any desire and commitment? The incredulous sales of quality players without replacements? Then the what would appear to be strange decisions of which we all hold our own opinions, ie. Fitness levels over 90 mins, player selection, substitutions etc.
We all share the same love for our club, we all xare and worry what is happening to our club hence questions being asked continually.
Fosun arrived with a promise and an aim, it seems they no longer what to express anything. We the fans are left with big question marks and this banter page allows us to ask, share and try to make sense of the situations. So don't lock it Goatmark, until we've gotsomething definite to go on and look forward to it'll continue, and I'm glad it will.

04 Dec 2024 07:16:19
Morning Goatmark, as you say "But still people are posting the same thing over and over."
You have constantly seemed to ignore the serious state of our Club.
The reality is whether we like it or not, is Fosun seem to have adjusted their approach to the Wolves "project".
Gone are the heady days of pushing towards success at the highest level.
James Wang, head of Fosun’s asset management division, has been quoted as saying "Jeff Shi is Fosun's representative at Wolves". Says it all for me, all they are doing with Wolves is a holding job. So no serious investment and ambition is my take.
Shi is just with us as an administrator and not charged with growing the Club.
If tonight is anything like Saturday's performance even you will be worried things are not "fine".
Let's hope for better structure, team selection, tactics and players commitment and focus tonight and a win!

04 Dec 2024 07:48:34
Spot on Goat, all the negativity about Fosun, is a bit of a bore. Careful what you wish for people. I think Fosun are giving us more than you think. Look at the predicament of Everton and Newcastle under Ashley.
Do you all forget that without Fosun we would probably be a mid-table championship team at best. Also Fosun want to make money out of us? Well no s**t Sherlock, they're a business!

04 Dec 2024 08:31:55
That's exactly it tho Eastmids, we know where we were, we know what fosun have done and what they promised, we know they are here to make money, but now the ambition and investment seems to have gone and they're letting us slip back to a mid table championship team and we don't want that. Understandably we ask questions, Fosun don't give any answers. Until they do those questions will continue because we care for our club.

04 Dec 2024 09:49:52
Why would anyone be fearful and worry Goatmark, it's just LMW's opinion to which he's entitled. You've accused me of criticism of the club, because I dared to suggest that we weren't playing the new signings and perhaps some of the money may have been spent more wisely. That's my option and others may disagree. It's called BANTER. As fans we are entitled to our views. We all love Wolves and want them to succeed but we are allowed to be critical repeatedly when things are not. Yes things have changed since Fosun first became our owners and we should be grateful to where they've taken us. I'm also a firm believer in growing the club 'organically' with a top up from Fosun as needed to keep that momentum going without breaking PSR, or putting us into massive debt. Fosun's stance has changed though and as Fans we can criticise when things are on the slide, or applaud and congratulate following a degree of success. Not sure if you've been to Molineux lately, but it's looking 'tired'. The GH temp stand is still there but only 2/3rds full. What's happened to investment in the ground. Not sure that even comes into the PSR rules?
Essentially there are questions to be asked repeatedly like it or not. It's generally only when you keep asking the same question you get an answer.

04 Dec 2024 09:57:15
Im not ignoring anything Rugeley, I know we aren’t in our best state at the moment. I just have faith we will improve and finish mid table again. My point was everyday posters are saying we will get relegated and fosun are taking all the money and have no interest in the club. I don’t see how that is a productive thing to do. Yes have the debate but almost every day it’s the same debate.

Abbey is it any wonder fosun are keeping quiet, they’ve been accused of not communicating with fans since they took ownership. Yet every time they do try communicate it’s not good enough. Jeff said early on he doesn’t understand what us wolves fans want, after his communication was criticised. In may he tried to explain the state of the club and the project ahead yet still we want him to communicate more. Why does he need to tell us what the project is again already? He will only get shot down for being honest. These things take time, more than half a season as some may think. Even if he communicated today, by next week fans will be saying he doesn’t tell us anything and they have lost interest. It’s been the same for a few seasons now.

04 Dec 2024 10:00:11
I personally don't think Fosun are trying to screw us over. I don't think GON is a bad manager or coach. I do think that GON doesn't have the experience to save us from this predicament but do think that rather than sack the management team, maybe he could benefit from a specialised Defensive Coach. I said a few weeks ago that Joleon Lescott was part of the backroom staff with the National team. Maybe someone like him could be approached to see if they could help out.

04 Dec 2024 11:11:03
Score predictions for tonight’s game folkes

04 Dec 2024 11:14:13
Looks like lop is going to get the push don’t think they will waste much time unlike us where GON is concerned fosun will wait until there is no decent manager to replace him

04 Dec 2024 11:36:58
There you go Goat, it's called a debate for a reason, it's a mix of facts, opinions and observations all of which are relevant and heart felt by the supporters who state them.

The danger is that if you try to shut down any of those views because you don't like to hear them then we're into censorship. Nothing I post is ever offensive or demeaning to any other poster but for some reason you have a problem with me calling out Fosun as I believe that their transfer policy is dangerous. This isn't the first time you've done it, so I'll cut you a deal.

I don't like that policy or mushroom management but I'll stop pointing it out if you promise to stop trying to put a positive spin on everything even when there isn't just cause. Because guess what? that's both boring and irritating to me.

04 Dec 2024 12:54:58
Long I stated that of course people can debate these things it just felt like it was every day for the last few weeks. And as I stated we can all see it’s not going very well at the moment, I just don’t see the need to go over it repeatedly. I didn’t say you have to stop and I didn’t call it boring. I just asked what benefit it has when as far as I know Jeff isn’t on this forum, but anythings possible I guess. I will do my best to stop putting positive spin on things, generally I try keep it to a minimum anyway as most people don’t like to hear they might be negative and they def don’t like someone positive being all chipper about things.

Blackford i'm not sure I accused you of criticism of the club, my point was not many new signings for any club play straight away and it seems more of the signings are now getting more chances. Imo it takes time for most players to settle in. Could we have bought players we needed instead of investments yes of course I’m not denying that.

It’s interesting that people keep saying it’s opinions yet when I give mine I get told I’m ignoring the serious state of the club. So basically I’m wrong. It’s all perception, one persons serious is another’s not so bad.

04 Dec 2024 12:56:13
Goatmark, Shi to my knowledge anyway, hasn't had a lot to say other than wolves aren't the club for me if I want to see silverware. Fosun have seen off lopetegui under a question mark, appointed an unproven manager in GON, who worked wonders up until the Coventry game (maybe that was more players ambitions doing?) And his record since tolerated.
They've sold off our 'asset' players without replacing with experience or equal quality.
The mol from what I hear isn't in the best state of repair and there's no further sign of development.
We're now in real danger of relegation and should that happen well lose a fortune in income. Our quality players will leave at the best price we can get, and we will be a team struggling in the championship. Lose tonight and the trap door opens wider.
GON as zero worries about his job, I'm sure he hasn't as he'll be paid handsomely whatever.
The owners, Fosun, meanwhile seemingly go about their business of making money at our expense.
Why havnt/can't they give GON their backing or dissatisfaction. Why can't they assure us they'll endeavour to bring in players we need in January, assure us our best players won't be leaving?
I may have missed something not living in Wolverhampton, but I don't feel confident in my clubs future at the moment.
I've seen it all before, and the long time in the lower leagues. My support never waned. All I expect is a committed club ownership who rewards fans loyalty and cash with dedication to their cause.
I'm not sensing any loyalty to wolves as a football club at the moment, only a business reclaiming financial investment.
Maybe Jeff disagrees, maybe he is working hard putting our best interests forward, and that's the point, we just don't know, do we?

04 Dec 2024 13:17:29
Kiddywolf, despite my doom and gloom responses I do actually think we'll win tonight. Hopefully the lads will find the unity and stamina to see this one through, won't be pretty, and may require some moment of brilliance but I think we'll do it. My bet will be 3-2. COYW

04 Dec 2024 13:41:27
Some very valid comments on here. Bringing in mediocrity during the summer window hasn’t helped. Jury out on GON but when I hear the likes of Moyes banded around plus some others I begin to wonder if perhaps we’d be better off sticking with what we’ve got. Big Sam was always the answer to keeping sides up until one day he didn’t! Lopetegue hanging by a thread I see.

04 Dec 2024 14:44:16
Again it’s different perceptions Abbey, to me shi said everything in his statement in may, we are building a self sustaining club. I’ve said before his comments weren’t worded in the best way, but to me he was saying the process will take a while to build us in to a team that can push for Europe more regularly. 6 month isn’t a long time so I don’t know what you expect him to say that is new. From what I’ve seen we will be bringing in at least 1 cb in jan. Being disappointed we didn’t replace Neto with experience or similar ability doesn’t make sense to me as surely that replacement would cost similar if not more than we got for Neto. Also was Neto a 60mil player when he joined us? Developing players is a good if not the only way to make big money in football. Obviously we would all like the mol to be developed more and yes that is a disappointment but does it indicate fosun have lost interest? I’m not so sure.

04 Dec 2024 14:46:05
Goat you did call it boring in an earlier comment because I posted something on this subject, but that's your opinion and you are perfectly entitled to hold it. I wish it would go away, I really do.

Nobody wants to be negative but I think Abbey has summed it up perfectly and the lack of communication just re-enforces those views. I'm also not sure GON will be sacked unless we get slaughtered at Everton and West Ham, the defense will be re-enforced in January and they'll give him chance to turn it round. That's just what I think they will do, rightly or wrongly.

Incidentally, the club does or always used to follow the different forums quite closely to gauge the fans mood, unless they've given up on that. So never give them 10 out 10 as we need to keep them on their toes, lol.

04 Dec 2024 14:16:48
Well its GON for the foreseeable 47Vintage, these two games this week will be a deciding factors one way or the other, we just have to keep the faith whilst biting nails and sometime cursing.

04 Dec 2024 15:31:41
Goatmark I'm not contending anything you say, I guess we're all feeling a little 'nervous" over things and looking to blame, but we can't sit quietly hoping we're in good hands and that all will be OK. This forum gives us, well me anyway, the means to discuss my concerns now I don't get out and about so much.
So I'll try and shut up about it now. Concentrate on tonight and if all goes well we'll have moved on tomorrow.

04 Dec 2024 16:20:46
Not meaning to cause any offence or to make people shut btw. Believe me I’m hoping what I believe is right. Don’t want to admit that fosun don’t have our best interest at heart. I understand fully the frustrations and other views. Fingers crossed we can all laugh about it in a few seasons when we are making progress and not fights at the bottom of the prem.

03 Dec 2024 12:56:17
Does anyone else think that we'll probably beat or at least, get something away, at Everton and West Ham. If so, are we becoming an away side whilst struggling with the expectation of winning just because we're playing at home. In other words the opposite of what you would expect.

I know we beat Southampton at home but the performance at Fulham was vastly better, imo, than that and a country mile away from what they produced against Bournemouth.

Is their confidence so fragile that they can only turn it on when expectations of a result are reduced, or is it because GON sets the side up differently away and that just works better.

What is interesting is that Fulham who are playing well of late lost to us but in their very next game against Tottenham played very well again. I know Cunha was on fire that day but to me it really looked like as a team, we had turned a corner.

I suspect there will be bumps in the road to come but was that just a one off or was it the performance against Bournemouth? I can't decide.

03 Dec 2024 13:10:51
I suppose time will tell Long

03 Dec 2024 13:50:35
I honestly expect us to beat Everton, and I think (hoping) the players will have a point to prove against West ham. I think we might get a draw at WHU. Not enough for me though to save GON. He's still not good enough in the PL to move us forward if we can even survive this season. Not sure who can move us forward mind you, but that's another debate.

03 Dec 2024 14:03:33
Not sure that you are right about the performance against Fulham. Let's not forget that our goal frame was shaken on three occasions so apart from two worldies from Cunha the result could have been very different.
I'm not confident that we will get much from the next two games as teams now see us as vulnerable so they will be confident against us.

03 Dec 2024 14:07:30
The big worry for me is more to do with how games are being lost. A number of games already a draw should have been achievable, only to throw away a lead and come home with nothing. This is the biggest reason GON should be moved on. When it comes to the end of the season and those 5 or 6 points or even 1 point could be the difference between survival it's where we could be found wanting if it's to be a relegation fight and not a capitulation like the last relegation from the Premier League.

03 Dec 2024 14:23:51
Well looking at what happened, firstly Fulham, you quite rightly point out Cunha being on fire that day longmynd, but also we had a make shift situation that may have taken Fulham by surprise and that allowed us to exploit the situation, but also had raul scored and other efforts gone in it may have been different. We also had our luck that day.
Bournmouth, we didn't prepare for the speed and number in their attack, GON's decision to leave Dawson on the bench relying on a midfielder in the back with Totti allowed the high ball over and we conceded the pen. Lemina and a poor semado let us down. Sa I felt slightly for, although careless in not knowing he had a 'man on' gives another pen and attempting to get a needless back pass from Dawson concedes the third. So Bournemouth benefit from our doing.
The point is I think we've been riding our luck, yes we can score but it's the same old story of poor defending that let's us down.
I believe we can win at Everton, GON will set up a different team and we'll play to prove ourselves.
West ham I think we'll be back to 'the norm' it'll be interesting but I'll be surprised if we get more than a draw.
I'm sorry to say I don't believe GON has anything new to offer.

03 Dec 2024 15:00:18
I think most have concluded it's our defence or on occasion the lack of it, that keeps coming back to bite us. Our goals conceded and the potential scoring opportunities we are handing to the opposition whether they manage to capitalise on them or not, is scandalous.

I suspect the club won't want to pay off GON but have recognised that not replacing Kilman plus one more CH was a major blunder. It wouldn't surprise me if they retain GON but bring in a defender or two (loans) in January in the hope that will fix it.

To quote Wolvo1963 'time will tell I suppose'.

02 Dec 2024 19:19:48
Bristol City away in cup it is folks.