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14 Jun 2024 12:51:44
Wolves have hired US Bank Moelis @ company to seek investment for GON to give him some money to spend.
1.) 14 Jun 2024 14:23:28
I’m sure investors are queuing up to invest their money into Fosun who want to keep control of the club but use other people’s money to buy players.
How big a per cent would investors receive?
If Fosun can’t make it pay what’s in it for these new investors?
With top players now costing £100million it costs a billion to build a team to compete and 2 billion to build a squad.
Even if an investor puts money in they are only allowed to spend a fraction due to PSR so it could be a long wait to see a return on their money and then we need another half a billion for a stadium.
The ship has sailed and even with the signing of Rodrigo Gomes we are only going to be competing for a top half finish which would be seen as a good season for us.
2.) 14 Jun 2024 15:44:18
Would any new investment be used to expand the stadium as this wouldn't impact PSR?
{Ed001's Note - yes it would.}
3.) 14 Jun 2024 16:31:13
From what I've read about USA financiers, the interest rate is generally in double figures, like at least 10% unless there's an equity stake taken. A mainstream UK bank would charge a lot less but presumably Fosun have been down that road, without success.
4.) 14 Jun 2024 17:52:45
Fosun have used the Australian bank McQuarry (spelling) in the past. Interest rate I've no idea.
12 Jun 2024 17:14:09
Can someone please tell me why we're haggling over a 10 million euros for Dia of Salternia I think how you spell it. Its quite clear Wolves want the player just pay the money and move on to the next target. Before people start we're is
the money coming from we have 15 players out on loan which GON could not believe sell them there's the money.
1.) 12 Jun 2024 18:14:58
That's not liquid money though. So many what ifs.
2.) 12 Jun 2024 18:21:38
We quibbled over the fee when we tried to sign Wharton from Blackburn. I believe we were 5 mill. short. He's now with the England squad and his value has trebled. So short sighted!
3.) 12 Jun 2024 19:07:20
Welcome to the pack Rodrigo,
4.) 12 Jun 2024 19:39:55
Didn't the club come out yesterday and say that they are not in talks with the player and have not made any contact with his club.
5.) 12 Jun 2024 21:33:15
The same Día whose own club sued him for refusing to come on and made his team play the final 30 mins of a league match with a man down?! Sounds like a gamble to me, not sure I blame the club for mitagating the level of gamble on this one?! ?
6.) 13 Jun 2024 22:46:46
From the same school as Nunes and now Pep doesn’t want him! Karma ?
11 Jun 2024 15:48:14
Debet is now Wolves front shirt sponsor and is the biggest sponsorship Wolves have ever done its for 2 seasons how much don't know.
1.) 11 Jun 2024 16:09:54
Another sponsor they won’t be able to put on kids shirts at a time clubs are voluntarily scrapping deals with betting firms, you couldn’t make it up, is that really the best they can do?
2.) 11 Jun 2024 16:50:52
Are clubs voluntarily scrapping their sponsorship deals with Gambling firms?
Villa, Bournemouth, Brentford, Burnley, Everton, Fulham, Forest and West Ham were all sponsored by a Gambling firm last season. 10 of the remaining 13 teams, including us had a Betting firm as a sleeve sponsor. Therefore, 17 of the 20 teams had some sort of deal with a Gambling company.
3.) 11 Jun 2024 16:52:54
Must admit it raises a question mark evran Aday. I hope the moneys there to make it worth it!.
4.) 11 Jun 2024 19:11:37
Surely surely there are as good or better non betting sponsorship deals out there!
We all know commercial income is vital.we are not punching up to weight, let alone above!
5.) 11 Jun 2024 20:39:14
I can't believe people moaning. The biggest deal in the clubs history!
What wrong with that?
Everyone wants new player signings to improve the squad and we need external sources to increase revenue.
6.) 11 Jun 2024 20:56:49
If Debet is Wolves biggest ever sponsor deal then well done Wolves
7.) 11 Jun 2024 22:34:38
What clubs are volunteering to walk away from betting companies? Some people on here/wolves fans everywhere are embarrassing. It’s are biggest sponsorship ever which gives us more income but it’s a joke, we are signing a quality young player in Rodrigo Gomes but he’s no good otherwise other clubs would have snapped him up, we’ve got no money but we’ve just spent 15m before we have sold a single player! Without Fosen we are stuck in the Championship!
Ok they haven’t been perfect, have the Glaziers? Could it be worse? People jump on Fabio, It didn’t work move on! Neto may leave he may not, but for god sake stop moaning! You lot hate the squad we have… let’s have Keith Andrew’s etc again! We are blessed! See the positive…. Out of darkness….
{Ed001's Note - the Premier League clubs as a whole voted to voluntarily remove betting sites as advertisers on the front of shirts by 2026.}
8.) 11 Jun 2024 22:45:18
Yet again I get the biggest sponsorship deal in the clubs history, but you lot see the negative, let’s get Goodyear back, I don’t splash the cash like Forest did… sorry I’ll do better and get a points deduction next season…. I won’t do what Brighton do and sell there players for profit…. But you can slag me off because I brought one wrong player in Fabio! Shame I asked Ruben to join, with Diego, and Willy! Some of you love a moan, we won’t charge you more for a ticket but I bet you’ll moan when we don’t move forward as a club….
9.) 12 Jun 2024 10:57:12
Yep. 2 years away. Just because we along with others have a betting organisation as a sponsor doesn't make we want to go out and bet. Same as having a drinks company on the front of the shirt doesn't make me want to go a drink. Nanny state.
10.) 12 Jun 2024 15:36:05
So funny Black, in one instance you make the point that all betting companies are spending a fortune on sponsorship then in the very next breathe say that sponsorship doesn't work! Haha, someone should tell these MANY companies that it doesn't work (despite ALL research suggesting it does)! Priceless, I'm loving it (see what I did there) ?
Jeff grow up mate! You may make some good points but even if you do it will be lost in this pathetic need to write as a false third person! Also it wasn't just Fabio, you seem to have forgotten Podence (£17m), Guedes (£33m), Jordao (£8m), Hooever (£13m) between those players alone that's £106m! Are you honestly trying to say you don't think we've missed £106m?! Behave and try to start posting like a grown up please! ?
11.) 12 Jun 2024 16:36:39
No I didn't say anything of the sort. I was suggesting that does it really matter who sponsors a team be it football, Rugby, whatever and that the name/sponsor doesn't influence me in anyway. If Wolves have as they got their best sponsorship deal ever then well done to Wolves, presumably Jeff Shi.
Maybe we should ask Disney to sponsor us because we wouldn't want to offend anyone in this woke world
{Ed001's Note - but it is not about offending people, are you really that unable to understand? Clearly you lack empathy, which is sad.}
12.) 12 Jun 2024 19:03:54
There was other stuff on Web regarding Debet which dosnt make good reading, that may or maybe false, hopefully the latter. That was my worry. It seems abit rich tho, vote against betting sponsors then accept the money. No doubt gambling effects an awful lot of people big time, I personally agree with blackfords, I've never consciously been influenced by sponsors but perhaps that's how it works? Maybe I have without realising it, my choice of soles on my shoes are 'goodyear'!.
13.) 12 Jun 2024 19:49:00
As BB has suggested with some people it obviously works and while some can have a daily fiver in the bookies on a horse and win or lose that's the entertainment for the day, others face the total ruin of family life. It's a complicated issue like alcohol in society. Personally I would rather the club had a more mainstream sponsor. I've always liked the idea of duracell as a club sponsor. Pink rabbit football advert!
14.) 12 Jun 2024 21:31:31
Me too ardunby, maybe we run out of steam at the end of the season too often for their liking?
15.) 12 Jun 2024 22:10:34
I think part of it is building our fan base abroad. None of the companies we get sponsored by seem to be from the uk, also correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think you can even access the betting companies that sponsor us. Not that I agree with advertising betting etc but at least our local fans can’t get enticed by them.
16.) 13 Jun 2024 09:51:41
Fair point Abbey!
17.) 13 Jun 2024 17:03:20
Why do fans have an issue with being sponsored by Debet but were OK with 6686 and W88?
31 May 2024 12:54:53
Personally speaking I think we need two strikers and two CHs Buenu still looks a bit dodgy and Dawson isn't getting any younger.Thats without people leaving I think Lopetegue will go after Kilman as reports are saying the deal for Brazilian Bruno have broken down over terms.So if say two big players leave say Neto and Kilman I think we would need at least 6 or 7 new faces to bolster the squad out what do people think.
1.) 31 May 2024 15:19:25
I personally think that we should keep our better players and build around them. Difficult I know but it's time we stopped being a feeder club, it gets us nowhere.
2.) 31 May 2024 15:58:38
If RAN goes….Kieran Tierney? Captain material and can play fullback, wingback or in a back three. Quality player. Shades of Jackie McNamars!
3.) 01 Jun 2024 06:25:01
I posted on themmainnrumournpage that Wolves are being linked with Ryan Sessegnon, ona free from Spurs.
4.) 01 Jun 2024 08:56:36
Main rumour page. Apologies for poor spelling.
5.) 01 Jun 2024 09:21:52
Wolf123, definitely agree with your thoughts. We do need a leader as well, soneone like Ince to drive us on when things get tough.
6.) 01 Jun 2024 10:24:41
We won three home league games in 2024, two against teams that were relegated and lost the reverse fixture against one of them, we need more than a couple of signings, with ex - players coming back to haunt us every couple of games and now even two ex - Managers plotting against us we could well regret being silly enough to sell / give / lose / let go to our rivals. It was never considered good practice.
7.) 01 Jun 2024 10:45:34
Fordhouses, I put Sessegnon firmly in the same pot as Che Adams- we should definitely be setting our sights on better than both of them. Neither have a good goals per games tally. And on top of that, Adams seems to have a very poor attitude at times. It’s a ‘No’ from me for both of them
8.) 01 Jun 2024 17:15:54
Lemina was reckoned to be trouble last time he was in the Prem with Fulham, (no idea about elsewhere), but he turned out OK!
9.) 01 Jun 2024 17:30:47
Sources, Tim?
10.) 01 Jun 2024 19:58:33
It was Southampton, not Fulham. apologies.
mario lemina 1
mario lemina 2
11.) 02 Jun 2024 14:07:58
The start of the rumours building up steam. As per usual. Plenty of chat and nothing comes of it.
12.) 02 Jun 2024 14:09:42
If we lose
Sa
Kilman
Gomes
Netto
Cunha
Were goosed
13.) 02 Jun 2024 16:21:27
Thanks Tim. Doesn't seem like the Lemina we've got.
28 May 2024 16:18:46
According to Jeff Shi Wolves are looking to sign 2 new strikers in this transfer window. ARE fuson putting money in to help or do we need to sell someone first. It w
Old help if Fuson put say 50mill in then when Wolves sell pay Fuson back.
1.) 28 May 2024 18:20:29
I think we can assume Sasa and Fabio will leave in some capacity either loan or sale.
2.) 28 May 2024 18:44:39
Whose going to take Sasa? he's out for the long-term.
Fabio's days are numbered, I'd also imagine Neto will be sold, and some of the youth / fringe players.
3.) 29 May 2024 06:31:44
Fabio, Guedes, & Podence should help fund/part fund the striker (S). Sasa depending on how he's recovering and who will take a gamble on him.
I'm not convinced we'll sell Neto as the difference in valuation for what we want versus what someone is prepared to pay given his injury record. I suspect we might sell Kilman though.
I really hope we keep RAN, Gomez and Cuhna, but I expect strong interest in all three.
4.) 29 May 2024 09:53:21
Fabio, Guedes, and Podence would only fetch circa £30m when you factor in depreciation from their original costs. That's just a baseline though. And £30m doesn't buy you a great forward / striker in today's market. I fear a more high profile player will be sold, if Wolves are to invest in two strikers.
5.) 29 May 2024 10:26:49
Firdhiuse Jack, probably terminated contract by mutual consent/ retirement eventually.
6.) 29 May 2024 11:50:21
Arddunby1 I do feel a bit bad for Sas, at least he wanted to play for Wolves. Unlike Guede, who was a complete waste of time and money.
7.) 29 May 2024 12:28:50
I agree with the circa £30Mill, but it's a start and gets rid of players who either aren't good enough and also who doesn't want to play for us. Wages are also a factor to consider and Fabio rumoured to be on £50K/week. I suspect Guedes is well paid also. Also with FFP I strongly suspect player valuations will reduce dramatically so we might get more for our money than in previous seasons. For me though we also need another centre half as we all saw what happened when we lost Dawson and at 34/35 he's not going to be around too much longer and the chances are he'll pick up more injuries and they'll take longer to heal. I saying that if we do sell one of our more valuable assets then for me it should be Kilman. Think we only paid £1Mill for him so it's virtually 100% profit barring any sell on clauses.
8.) 30 May 2024 10:41:59
Get rid of players who aren't good enuf.thats at least half the squad then.and the2fwds will probly be adams on a free and some 3rd rate nobody from some nohpoe outfit.if we start the ssn like we finished it.5points from 30 it doesn't luk good does it.
02 Jun 2024 17:36:15
Rated RKO if we believe in everything that's in the papers and clickbait Wolves wouldn't have a first team be ause everyone is being sold lot of rubbish.
21 May 2024 17:01:01
Peter JohnsonWWFC who are Sudu and how much are Wolves getting
24 May 2024 19:09:14
I agree but I still think it's 80% of your income that includes transfer fees agents fees and wages are all included Edoo1's I might be wrong but I'm sure what I've said is correct.9
{Ed001's Note - to start with, it is the intention to reduce it inline with UEFA.}
24 May 2024 17:47:57
Edoo1'sForgot to mention alltransfer fees agents fees and wages.
{Ed001's Note - yes it includes all of that. Unless you are Man City when you will continue to pay most of it through under the counter payments on the side.}
24 May 2024 17:46:18
Ed00'1i think it's 80%s of your revenue coming in that allowance you can spend its more than UEFA whitch is only 30% if I'm right
{Ed001's Note - they are both bringing it down inline to 60%.}
24 May 2024 16:53:17
Jas M we will get 130 mill with tv revenue going up that can not be spent on staff and ground improvements were is the money going. If fuson want Wolves to be financially sustainable on there on surely all that money should go to Wolves so where is it going.
24 May 2024 14:21:26
Bully's Magic Boots the wages for the first team is only 45 mill per season according to what I've read.