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20 Oct 2025 13:51:50
I have posted less over the past few weeks as I have been trying to limit my negative posting and focus on more positive matters. Sadly there is very little to be positive about
I have previously said that Vitor should already be gone as he clearly isn't getting the best out of the squad available to him - which despite what Wandering and indeed he himself has said, (he wants to keep his job so he will say whatever the boss asks him to!), I don't for one minute believe it is what he wanted to be working with when the season started - but to be fair to him it is an awful squad.
Not only did Wolves sell its best 2 players but it seems it has also lost another 3 of the best 7 - Semedo to free agency and JSL and Emmanuel to Lemina like falls off of a cliff form drop offs.
Also, although Wolves bought a number of cheap players, (£100m for 6 players is cheap in Prem terms - there were a few players bought by other teams who appear to be excellent signings at those modest prices, but only a few, explaining why it was such a high risk strategy), only Krejci, (unsurprisingly the most expensive of the players acquired!), currently looks like a top half of the Prem quality player.
Consequently at both ends of the pitch and particularly going forwards there is just so little quality.
So the only positive I can find is that Wolves fans on here and other sites are now largely united in acknowledging the situation.
I was virtually a lone voice questioning the direction of travel post Seville being castigated for criticising for example the signings of Fabio, Trincao and Guedes.
However over the years more and more posters - aided by the, (to me at least), undeniable evidence of the increasingly poor results on the pitch and in the accounts - started to see the problem.
Amazingly though even this summer on this site I was still being challenged over my criticism of Jeff and his management of the club on and off the pitch!
Now it seems even the most fervent of Jeff's supporters have realised that he isn't running the club to benefit the club. Either because he is grossly incompetent or more likely he is running the club with a different agenda.
So where is the future - sadly it isn't old gold?
Is it possible to survive in the Prem or indeed even as a club?
Obviously yes to the latter, (although it's not a given!), but even the former is still possible!
Vitor has to go now - who on earth replaces him I don't know.
Whoever it is has to find some way of getting Emmanuel and JSL firing - maybe promise JSL he can leave next summer? They have to tighten up the defence and hope that enough results can be ground out that it is not all over by Jan when Fosun have to decide if they double down or quit?
There is simply no creativity, goal scoring or basic quality in the forward line. To change that will be very hard . Finding players of sufficient quality willing to join Wolves will be extremely difficult and expensive.
My view is that Fosun won't. They will accept relegation and hope that they can strip out whatever value there is left in the squad - maybe only Andre, Gomes and Krejci - and then hope that they can find a fool/fan willing to take on the carcass that will remain.
This is sadly going to be very ugly indeed and may take a long time to recover from.
Given my age I suspect I should enjoy the remainder of the season as I may well never see Wolves in the Prem again.
Tks Jeff!
1.) 20 Oct 2025 17:14:19
Jeff and VP have through their individual incompetences have destroyed this club.
2.) 20 Oct 2025 18:15:24
future. A very true summation of the situation, the sort of statement that whilst not being what you want to read you have to accept it. I have stopped posting for pretty much the same reason, the appalling recruitment of the summer caused to stop bothering to post because the results we've had were inevitable. All I can say to Jeff is go now you've done appalling damage to our club and enough is enough. To Fosun put up or clear off and let someone else have a go before it's too late! Vitor it's time for you to go, thanks for last season but you're simply not up to the task I'm afraid.
COYW
3.) 20 Oct 2025 18:22:31
Well I can't see any new investments or owners prior to the winter transfer window, I can't see who we bring in to replace VP, so sadly I'm inclined to agree that we could fall through one or more divisions again.
Unless something changes in the next few weeks it doesn't look promising.
At some point in the future the club will probably offer the prospects of good value to a new owner prepared to take a chance (similar to Wagner and Brady at Blues). It may however be more difficult to get rid of Fosun than we think.
22 Sep 2025 10:06:15
Been away on holidays and off line for two weeks.
Since I last looked, 4 significant things seem to have happened
1 good, 1 not surprising, 1 bad and 1 insanely surprising.
JSL signed a new contract without a release clause
Wolves lost away at Newcastle .
Wolves lost, seemingly quite badly, at home to Leeds. The 2nd of the 8 must win games I identified in an earlier post "the road to survival" both lost at home!
Wolves gave Vitor a new contract!
As Wolves have picked up 1 point from the last 9 league games in normal circumstances he would be on very very thin ice and in my view should actually be gone now! However sacking him either this week or even over the next few weeks will both be highly embarrassing and very expensive!
What is going on?
I can totally understand why Vitor signed a new contract as he was, (in the rational world), just about to be sacked and a new contract hugely increases the pay off he will receive. However, why did Jeff offer him a new contract as, even as a non football man, he knows he is likely to have to sack him soon - lesson learnt from not sacking GON soon enough?
Was he frightened that Vitor would walk and no one credible would take the job?
To be honest I have no idea - but is Jeff really this stupid?
However the far far more relevant question is why is the club in this mess?
The short answer for anyone with the wit and willingness to see is that this has been coming since Seville.
Phil, (an ex-poster for those that don't know him), used to ask me if Wolves would go down this season and I would reply no not this year but its coming. Now I am not so certain that the club has done enough to avoid the drop this year.
But specifically this year?
I tend to agree with Wandering and say that to a large extent it sits with Vitor
Yes Wolves had yet another abysmal transfer window - selling high quality and experienced players and buying, for not insignificant sums, 6 largely younger players with no Prem experience. (Incredibly Wolfe already appears written off - 3rd choice LWB now? - and only Krejci is seemingly currently playing at the levels required.)
Also to be fair to Vitor I question if this really is his side?
I know I have read that he has said he is "happy" but given he was being given a new contract to quote Mandy Rice Davies "he would say that wouldn't he?"
We certainly know he wanted Krejci as he was on the "list" but if he is happy with the rest of this squad he is even more damned than I had thought. I suspect that he wouldn't have wanted to lose the quality players he did and we know he wanted to buy "better" players, including some of those on his "list". He can however only operate within the restrictions of the market - prices Wolves will pay, wages Wolves will pay and even more relevantly players willing to come to Wolves.
But it is far worse than this. The squad is awful but nothing like this bad. Vitor seemingly has lost if not the entire dressing room at least elements of it - Andre, now one of the 2 best players is clearly out of sorts and the body language of several others including seemingly JSL is apparently poor.
Selections, tactics, fitness and morale all are poor according to numerous pundits and social media posters.
Like Emmanuel's form in the second half of last year was that brief flurry of results against the bottom 6 last season the high point of Vitor's reign?
1.) 22 Sep 2025 10:47:39
As I said in my previous post TFIOG it's a multi layered mess no doubt and sadly it won't get any better whether we survive relegation this season or not.
For Shi and VP to both claim he got the players he wanted is pure PR nothing more, nothing less. The Club is on it's knees now thanks to the owners lack of investment and Shi's incompetence controlling the way whatever money they do have, is spent.
Everyone is trying to work under continually deteriorating circumstances, it makes no sense.
2.) 22 Sep 2025 11:20:36
Unfortunately my friends Jeff is guilty of the old doing the same things over again and expecting a different result. As they say good luck with that one!
Obviously I do hope we get a different result but I am not going to hold my breath.
COYW
3.) 22 Sep 2025 11:32:14
Clearly something is amiss, what? I don't know. Is Jeff really stupid enough to give VP a new contract knowing he will need to fire him before Christmas, I don't know and without knowing the details its hard to say, but yes it may be difficult to replace the manager this time.
4.) 22 Sep 2025 12:29:19
I have started to question as well if VP has lost the players as Future mentions. Krejci I think looks a good player, Lopez has potential, the rest of the new signings, to be kind, need more time to settle. Arias and Wolfe not looking likely to ever be good replacements for Cunha and RAN.
I do still think we are a better team than the way we are performing, maybe this poor form is due to the players not being happy, whether this is down to VP or the actions of Jeff and Co, something is not right.
Will we beat Everton, Spurs or Brighton?
Best chance seems to be Everton if they play a weakened side, real possibility we lose the next 3 unfortunately, then what?
5.) 22 Sep 2025 14:50:50
They always say the first sig of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, well step forward Jeff Shi who is the ultimate proof of this statement.
As stated no one with credibility will want to touch us with a barge pole. If people think Nuno would come back when the problem is still here (Jeff again) then think again, would you go back to a company you had a fall out with the boss I think not.
When the same story is being peddled out by 4 previous managers then the issue is still there (Jeff again).
On Fosun they may look at it different and think they bought it for £50 odd million and now worth £350 million so in theory he's done his job.
I don't know how it will turn out but unless something changes quickly we will go down. It will be worse in December when at least 5 players leave to the Afcon.
22 Sep 2025 09:55:22
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24 Aug 2025 13:01:41
What is the road to safety?
Fortunately the magic number for survival is probably going to continue to be well below the "traditional" 40, indeed it has been below 30 in the last 2 seasons.
It is fortunate though as I don't see a route to that number even if the club makes several good signings this week.
Realistically though how many can be brought in 2, 3 at most, (although probably need 6 or 7), so it has to be another forward, a CM who can play as a 10 when not covering the 2 stars and sorry, captain or otherwise, Toti has to go, so an LCB.
I don't like it and obviously have to cross fingers that :1 the various new boys are capable - on v thin evidence of course.2 there are absolutely no injuries or suspensions -as the depth is paper thin 3 certain players like Emmanuel, Andre, Gomes and JSL stand up and show leadership, but the first 11 therefore looks like this. Starting 11 : Sa, Jackson, Yerson Emmanuel, New, (Krejci?) Wolfe, Andre, Gomes, Arias JSL New, (Uche?)
At the moment only 3 or 4 of them at most are playing to Prem standards but 2 by definition have not played yet and others are still extremely new to the club/league so whilst lots of work to do it is surely not impossible to believe this side, despite the appalling lack of Prem experience, can compete?
The route with 36 games left?
The vast majority of the points have to come from 8 games - 2 of which are within the next month! At home to Sunderland, Burnley, Everton, Leeds, WH, Palace (shorn of its stars?), Brentford and Fulham.
Then pick up a few in the reverse fixtures.
I have to hope for high 20s, say 28, from these 16 games.
That leaves 20 games to get, say 8 points (assuming 36 needed for survival) Sounds incredibly easy.
But all but the zealots on here can surely accept the chance of points from Arsenal, City, Liverpool and Chelsea home and away are very low, accounting for 7 of those games.
Away at a rejuvenated Spurs, a re-tooled Man U, Newcastle, Brighton, Villa and Forest also look hard.
So you might be down to 7 games to get 8 points?
Home to Spurs, Man U, Newcastle, Bournemouth, Villa, Brighton and Forest.
Of course Wolves may, as they did last year, pick up a point of two, (or more), from the "little chance" games or the "survival" total may be less than 36 reducing the number required from that 7.
However similarly either the total required might be higher or they won't get to 28 from the "easy" games
Consequently it can be seen that the "route" is very narrow and tight and failing to pick up at least 4 but in reality probably 6 from the 2 "easy" games over the next few weeks may already make it improbable.
1.) 24 Aug 2025 15:20:50
Future. We so desperately need a performance, I feel that the result is almost less important, if some belief could be instilled in this squad I actually think we'd be ok. There lies the problem belief has to come from the coach off the pitch and a 'real' captain on the pitch. VP seems insistent on making the age old mistake of square pegs in round holes, Munetsi isn't an AM/winger and Bellegarde isn't a replacement for Andre (amongst other issues). His current setup is too narrow and predictable.
The other major problem is we haven't had a real established captain since Conor Coady, Dawson was a reasonable stopgap but Lemina, Kilman, Semedo, even king Neves, and now Toti just are not captains. The result is therefore that instead of the team finding an extra 10-20% they actually perform worse than the sum of their parts, look like a bunch of strangers and make mistakes.
I worry that we're seeing the whole Lemina debacle again, nobody capable of he captain job so give it to someone willing, Toti with time and space is an adequate defender, with the weight of the armband added he's a liability.
Hopefully we'll see an improvement next match as it's no pressure and I suspect due to CB issues a tweak to formation, maybe Munetsi or Andre as part of the back 3 but slightly advanced of the other 2. Fingers crossed.
2.) 24 Aug 2025 16:17:46
We need to thank Pereira for saving us last season and give him some slack this. Two games is little to make judgement on but he is in a tight spot as the transfer window has, thus far been a disaster. If the finger is not pulled out in the next two weeks I can see him walking and rightly so. Who would want to replace him under the current circumstances, Dean Saunders? For Fosun it's all about finance and they will asset strip and sell on, it's shocking really but if it's not an easy financial gain I can see them walking having already covered their investment and made a handsome return. No loyalty in football or anything else these days. Let's throw Ukraine to the dogs it's not very different apart from the deaths.
3.) 24 Aug 2025 18:11:51
Just an observation, (and you can say it is a positive or a negative however you want to spin it), but if my putative side is the first 11 then with 5 players debuting this season, Yerson playing only a handful of minutes prior to this year, Emmanuel having half a season, Andre and JSL a season and Gomes 2 and a half, only Sa has any real experience in the prem.
Indeed there will be many players with more Prem experience playing in the Prem this year than the entire Wolves side!
4.) 24 Aug 2025 18:51:11
How many years does Doherty have?
5.) 24 Aug 2025 18:52:39
Indeed Future, to some extent training and coaching is the process of preparing the players to perform a task by rote, when they have to think about every individual pass, tackle or shot it looks like we're currently playing.
This is my reservation with the belief of many posters on here that X new players will solve the problem, sometimes getting the basics right is what's needed.
If anyone is required it's experienced old heads, Jordan Henderson, Kyle Walker etc.
6.) 24 Aug 2025 20:55:21
Handsome - loads but he shouldn't be anywhere near the first 11
14 Aug 2025 22:48:43
Before the season starts and we become engrossed in whatever unfolds I thought I would ask, for the sake of levity if nothing else, what is the best performance you have seen from Wolves - not necessarily the best result.
For me - because I am old - I am going back to 1976, when Wolves were in Division 2 - now the Championship.
A 4-2 win at Orient - Richards hat trick and Alan Sunderland. In those days relegation, which Wolves had suffered the year before, was not the financial catastrophe it is now and players were v loyal - Richards today would be a superstar and would have moved to Chelsea or Man city etc after only a couple of years at Wolves but in those days he stayed at Wolves even after relegation.
Wolves were therefore an ocean apart from most of the sides in the division and not just this game but in fact the whole year was fantastic, ending of course with a title and promotion back to Div 1
For the younger ones amongst you I could have chosen any one of dozens of Nuno performances. You could just sit back and enjoy it knowing that Neves and Moutinho were totally controlling the game and eventually Wolves would score - but the opposition wouldn't!
But in the "modern" era despite the fact that I, perhaps harshly, blame GON, ( and not Jeff), for the shambles of last season my "best performance" of the "modern" era would have to be from his team at Chelsea the year before also a 4-2 but it could have been 6 or 7!
What would yours be?
1.) 14 Aug 2025 23:26:30
Wolves 3 - 0 Liverpool few seasons ago. We totally outplayed them.
2.) 14 Aug 2025 23:46:32
Couple of favourites from back in the day
First being port vale away when de wolf got his hat-rick
Or when we beat Sheffield Wednesday in the cup and watching Chris waddle absolutely ??? himself walking up to take his penalty
Modern era ish when we came back and beat Leicester after looking dead and buried at half time
More recent beating the steptoes at the poorthorns
3.) 15 Aug 2025 00:02:30
Second half against Leicester to come from 3-0 down to win 4-3
4.) 15 Aug 2025 06:50:06
20th Nov 1971, Wolves 5 Arsenal 1. Arsenal were the reigning double winners no less and we were 1-0 down at half time. A devastating second half performance well and truly put the Gunners to the sword. Waggy's 25 yard strike won goal of the month.
I went to that 4-2 game at Orient and recall that John Richards only came on as sub as he was returning from injury. Orient featured an 18 year old Laurie Cunningham in their team and I remember thinking we should buy him after his excellent performance! Went to every game that season, even Millwall away on New Year's Day (no segregation, interesting!).
5.) 15 Aug 2025 09:00:14
I can't remember the season, I think it was 83/4 away at Anfield, Liverpool 0-1 Wolves, the last gasp before the slump started.
6.) 15 Aug 2025 09:38:51
Definitely the Leicester game. My wife and I were watching the match in a small quiet hotel in Belfast at the time with no sound. We had our tops on so easy to guess who we were supporting. Second half the sound was on full and the whole pub were Wolves supporters. Even the kitchen staff joined us! Absolutely crazy time! but loved every minute ?
7.) 15 Aug 2025 09:45:51
Old wulf I've got to agree the 5-1 over arsenal was terrific and totally unexpected, it was a miserable day weather-wise but it gave me genuine shivers, even watching the highlights on Mod I was so excited, a lasting memory, along with of course the two 'unexpected' league cup wins.
8.) 15 Aug 2025 09:48:18
Wolves v Blackpool at home 76/77 season. I remember Kenny Hibbitt taking a corner scoreboard side of the North bank end of the ground; out swinging ball to the just outside the 18 yard box and Steve Daley running in and heading it into the top corner. Memorable season that one.
9.) 15 Aug 2025 09:55:45
1969 Southampton v Wolves notable for my first view of Peter Knowles.
Beat them 3 goals to 2, Parkin, Bailey and Wilson.
Dougan, Munro and McCalliog also in the team.
The old Dell ground.
10.) 15 Aug 2025 10:01:14
Wolves 7-1 Chelsea. Early sixties, can't remember exact year. Steve Kindon ran "Chopper" Harris ragged. What a terrific game!
11.) 15 Aug 2025 10:05:03
Some great performances mentioned, the Arsenal and Liverpool ones particularly but can I also throw in the 2003 play off final against Sheffield United and the night Wolves beat the all conquering Leeds 2-1 to stop them winning the title.
12.) 15 Aug 2025 10:35:08
The 5-1 against Arsenal in 1971 is still today my favourite all time performance.
The 4-2 win against Orient featured a hattrick from Richards and one from Bobby Gould-not Alan Sunderland-also the game when Richards came on a sub and scored a hattrick was the season previous against Charlton in the FA Cup-the first player as sub to do so in the competition
13.) 15 Aug 2025 10:52:29
A personal favourite as it was on my birthday is the 4-0 Europa league win against espanyol, although they aren’t exactly Barcelona it was a great night and a Diogo hat trick plus a Ruben neves thunderbolt. Feels a lot longer ago than it was .
14.) 15 Aug 2025 11:02:39
I'm with old wolf, it's Arsenal for me also. I took the neighbour who first introduced me to becoming a fan in 1950.If I remember right Arsenal scored first. Later on it started to snow like the clappers. Great memories.
15.) 15 Aug 2025 11:08:51
Another game has just come to my mind, not significant but one game I thoroughly enjoyed for reasons aside from the game itself was Bristol Rovers away, just after Xmas 1976, we ended up 5-1 winners (may of been 6)I think, (Christmas cheer),
It rounded off a truly excessive couple of days and I remember being so happy that night.
16.) 15 Aug 2025 11:31:32
There's been so many, but had both my lads with me when we beat Sheffield UTD 3-0 at the Millennium stadium in Cardiff to get in the PL with Dave Jones. What followed after was not so great but Wolverhampton was buzzing.
17.) 15 Aug 2025 12:15:52
I was there at Bristol Rovers, Abbey. It was 5-1 and circa half of the 20, 000 + gate were Wolves fans.Stopping Leeds winning the double was great (recall Bobby Charlton saying he felt sorry for Wolves after Leeds had beaten Arsenal in the cup final!).All our Wembley wins (even the Sherpa Van) and the play off final are memorable but, more recently, how about that 2-0 win at Man City in 2019 with Traore scoring both (couldn't resist the 28/1, had a tenner on)? Same again tomorrow please but seems more unlikely to me.
18.) 15 Aug 2025 13:22:03
Wow - tks!
Great thread!
I loved the 5-1 and the 7-1 which was Willie Carr's debut.
However the 1-1 at Millwall was something else and I was also there!
Old do you remember they had a chap with a big drum - last ten minutes the ground was rocking and Wolves players were more than a little intimidated. Not sure any of them wanted to take throw ins as it was too close to the crowd.
However even to get to ground as a fan in those days you had to walk through a tunnel called something like the "cold blow" . Intimidating ground all round despite only holding something like 10k!
19.) 15 Aug 2025 14:37:34
My first ever game Oct 1973 v Man Utd . 2 -1 win with one of my favourite Dougan goals . Some team we had then.
20.) 15 Aug 2025 16:34:26
Can't remember the drum but what I remember most, Future, was that it was absolutely peeing down at full time (we were greeted by a blanket of snow that morning in Wolverhampton) and when we returned to the coach drop off point they were nowhere to be seen! Couldn't ask the locals where they might be, for obvious reasons, but we eventually found them after about 20 minutes and a right old soaking.
21.) 15 Aug 2025 17:41:24
Arsenal 5-1 and excellent shout.
But I too will never forget the 76-77 promotion season. I went to nearly every game. Bristol Rovers 5-1 away another good shout.
For me though I would say the two games we played against Ipswich in the FA cup 4th round. Top of division 1 (at the time) against top of division 2.
We should have won at Portman Road but I’m glad Ipswich got their equaliser because JRs headed goal in the replay from a cross by (I think) Alan Sunderland will live in my memory forever. I don’t think the game was televised which in a way I’m pleased about, just in case it wasn’t quite as good as I remember it.
I doubt there’s an afterlife but if there is that memory will never ever fade even when hell freezes over.
22.) 15 Aug 2025 18:36:10
For me Future the first time I saw Wolves. I had been a fan since I first followed football, about 7 years old, 69 years ago. Living in East Kent there was the local team but nothing else. A friend at school was also a Wolves fan and we talked all the time about Wolves and followed the results. We had no idea where Wolverhampton was, but in those days going 10 miles from Thanet was a major event. In Summer we both worked at a bakery to earn some dosh, and he passed his driving test. Wolves first game back in the top flight was at Fulham, we decided to go in his ancient Fiat 500 his dad got for him. Driving in London was terrifying but we made it and watched Waggy destroy Fulham's defence. We loved it as Wolves won, standing with a lot of great people with strange accents. Happily I have been able to see Wolves over many more occasions despite living on the south coast, and tickets being very hard to come by.
23.) 16 Aug 2025 03:43:45
I've got to be with Moloneux here! I was at the Lec game with a Lec fan, and they were leading 3-0 at HT and I said to them 'you must be loving this' and they just said 'it's not done, not feeling safe yet' and the rest was history! But WHAT A GAME! ??
24.) 16 Aug 2025 09:18:37
An impossible question. Would start with great memory of the week before the cup final in 1960 - Chelsea 1 Wolves 5. Then beating the Spurs double side 2-1 at White Hart Lane in 1962. Of course Wembley in 1974. Recent cup win over Man Utd on that special night at Molineux. So many over 66 years and looking forward to more, starting with Everton in a couple of weeks. Think I’m very lucky!
25.) 16 Aug 2025 09:34:13
And of course the Great comeback at Oldham in the cup in 1967 when most of the fans had gone back to the coaches and missed two extra time goals! And of course the very emotional play off final in Cardiff.
26.) 16 Aug 2025 10:05:37
My most memorable was when we beat Liverpool in the cup at Anfield.
Sadly work and financial constraints mean I have only had the opportunity to attend one away game so far, what a game I chose to go to!
A day I will never forget, hopefully get to make a few more away trips in the near future!
Looking forward to today, no matter the result it will be nice to see the Molineux rocking again and the boys back on the pitch for what will no doubt be another rollercoaster of a season!
FWAW
27.) 16 Aug 2025 20:32:47
Thank you everyone for a wonderful thread. It seems there are quite a few of us in our 60s and even older on here and it is always good to relive those memories.
Fingers crossed that in 10, 20 or even 30 years we will all be able to look back on these years with equal fondness!
Thefutureisoldgold1's rumour replies
10 Oct 2025 11:27:30
Looks like a decent prospect.
However he is highly unlikely to hit the ground running.
Still fairly young and playing at a very low level, Liga Pro, the top division in Ecuador is of a similar level to Norwegian or Hungarian football, i.e. massively below even the English Championship!
Thus unless he is a standout/prodigy in this league, and with only 1 senior cap for Ecuador by the age of 22 he doesn't sound like one, he should, as you say Molineux, be v cheap. However he probably should only be viewed as a prospect/one for the future/squad player and is highly unlikely to be the first 11 starter in the creative midfield/10 role the team needed in August let alone this January.
All in all no worries re taking this player - although of course it means someone has to go out due to NHG limits - but I would be surprised if he is seen as the missing piece that so obviously exists in the first 11
03 Sep 2025 17:50:23
No one picks Yerson?
03 Sep 2025 10:27:36
BB - I hear what you are saying and of course you may well be correct. I hope not though as it would certainly make me concerned re his judgement of players given all the evidence over the past season or so that clearly showed the shortcomings in the squad.
However I am not so certain if it was a conscious decision to keep the players he had? Maybe he simply couldn't get the players he wanted in or equally and just as importantly he couldn't get the players out he didn't. {All within the constraints of the market and finances}
Standing still doesn't always mean you are happy where you are just that you can't/didn't move.
ps It appears Molineux has given a pretty clear answer to my original q of if he is good enough!
03 Sep 2025 09:17:57
If better than the current crop obviously yes but is he?
if he has been released by Lille is he good enough?
I'mafraid I have to leave that decision to Vitor and his coaches.
BB I acknowledge that Wolves have 6 CBs in the squad but
Yerson is v injury prone, Doc should be done, S Bueno isn't good enough, Emanuel appears lost, Toti needs help and can't play otherwise and the new boy is new - and apparently, according to some at least, is going to be covering DM as well.
Perhaps the resources which on paper appear adequate are in fact a little thin?
Sadly you can do the same analysis for pretty much the entire squad though as after 5 years of managed dismantling it is now both weak and shallow.
Hence the gloom and doom and "realistic" views re its prospects in the poll on this site.
02 Sep 2025 10:50:04
BB - I am not certain but I think that if Lima had stayed at Wolves or anywhere else in England/Wales he would have qualified as home grown - 3 seasons in England before 21 - but now he won't!
Given the importance of that classification and the obvious shortage of homegrown players in the squad either Wolves have given up on him and don't expect him to be around post 21 or they have made a monumental error!
Thefutureisoldgold1's banter replies
24 Oct 2025 11:59:05
QS -I think the difference is whilst Covid affected all clubs, in the post Covid period in general owners supported their clubs to recover.
In Wolves case however the owners were, as you stated, badly affected by Covid and so Wolves are not only not being supported by Fosun but are actually being forced to support Fosun itself.
I doubt there is another club in the UK or even the World that has been forced to carry such an unsustainable obligation.
It is therefore fair to say that Covid has impacted Wolves to a far greater extent than it has any other club.
23 Oct 2025 14:04:00
Deep normally I would say you were obviously correct
However Fosun is a huge conglomerate and Wolves is a tiny and insignificant part of it.
Therefore Wolves role in the Fosun empire today is perhaps no more than that of a "milch cow".
Initially, before Covid, Fosun were rich and keen to build a football team that would be a status symbol and a brand to build a broader based leisure business on - e sports, music, fashion etc etc.
Post Covid however Fosun's finances fell apart and they had to rethink their approach to football.
Maybe the conversation went something along the lines of "This football lark is really easy. We buy cheap players and they play magnificently. Our investment has trebled or more. But we can make even more money if we simply sell off the players and buy more cheap ones"
Sadly as Nuno and the rest of the management team, ( plus presumably all moderately intelligent football fans), knew (and indeed Nuno even told Jeff) it would, that went totally wrong!
Consequently football was no longer quite so exciting and they were no longer feted as geniuses.
So the strategy changed from Fosun building a football centric business to football simply being a source of cash to support the rest of the group.
Jeff is presumably charged with extracting as much value as possible for Fosun for as long as possible.
Like a vampire keeping a victim alive, bleeding them regularly, but allowing them to recover just sufficiently so as to be bled again.
If however you misjudge how much blood that can be removed or how much effort needs to be put in to aid the recovery and the victim dies well so be it .
Do you honestly think anyone in China thinks about Wolves or cares other than about the amount of money it generates for Fosun.
If the worst happens and Wolves are relegated and Fosun presumably walks away, it, like the other bad investments made by Fosun, will simply be consigned to history.
With regard to destroying value with relegation sadly that ship has sailed.
Although you are right, normally if a club goes down it will be worth far less than it was in the Prem.
In Wolves case however who in their right mind even today would pay any sort of money for the husk of a club that Wolves have become. With its massive debt, modest income and awful playing squad it is pretty much already valueless. Consequently relegation, although potentially terminal for the club, is not the major disaster, for Fosun, that it normally would be.
22 Oct 2025 13:48:30
Like it - tks
20 Oct 2025 15:51:03
Moby - you are assuming that 1) Fosun is investing in Wolves and 2) that a new owner couldn't run the club significantly better financially so that it could stand on its own feet without the need for significant investment.
ps In case you are in any doubt not only are Fosun not investing but it is quite possible that Jeff, as I say below either due to his gross incompetence or because he is following an alternative strategy, is in fact the reason for Wolves demise both on the pitch and financially.
The bankruptcy you and I remember is exactly what I don't want to happen again which is why it is imperative that Jeff and Fosun reexamine their ownership strategy this winter otherwise next summer may well see a return to the nightmare you recall!
19 Oct 2025 12:31:20
Jaz - great to see you posting again.