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16 Jun 2025 07:39:12
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15 Jun 2025 09:09:12
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15 Jun 2025 00:07:29
At the end of the 23/24 season we lined up: Sa, Semedo, Kilman, Dawson, Toti, RAN, Lemina, Gomes, Hwang, Cunha, Neto.
As at this moment only 3 of them are likely to be playing for us next season - just over 12 months later.
We have added Emmanuel, Andre and JSL as definitive first 11 players so are some 5 short of a strong first 11.
Given we were always short on depth and will probably/presumably/hopefully lose a few of the weaker members of the squad we probably need to add another 5 squad players as well.
Although it is possible that Bueno, Yerson and Bellegarde/Munetsi might now be regarded as first 11 players we still need to add circa 10 new players.
Given the impossibility of getting every transfer correct we probably need to be signing something like a minimum of 15 new players over the summer!
That is some task!
Obviously we have no idea of the budget - wages and fees - but let's assume we will spend circa £150m and wages won't be a problem as we will not be signing established stars from major sides i.e. players already earning high wages.
Nevertheless we will need to be careful and find some bargains/frees or take a player or two on loan!
Going forwards then
GK: Sa/new - would have loved Kelleher (as number 1 and sold Sa to help fund ) but missed out.
RWB New/Lima - don't think Lima is ready (No idea for first choice but left field suggestion of Tanganga of Millwall - release clause of £1.2m low wages homegrown v physical prospect as back up who can play both CB/RB).
CBs - New/Emmanuel/Toti Back ups Yerson/ 2 new preferably at least one left sided- (Robert Renan on loan from Zenit ( issues?). Doc/S. Bueno/Djiga as, (at the moment), 7th or 8th best options at best.Maybe S Bueno will be sold or Djiga loaned out.
LWB - New/H Bueno. If we think H Bueno is the number 1 then Serge Reguilon on a free is an option as a cheap but experienced back up who has always looked good going forwards if a little suspect defensively
Midfield Andre/Gomes - back ups New/Traore or Doyle assuming neither moving on.
Forwards New/JSL/New - huge ask here as we are looking v short of goals and creativity. Back ups Bellegarde/New/Munetsi - assuming Hwang and Guedes move on and Sasa retires injured.
Thoughts and realistic ideas for the new players?
1.) 15 Jun 2025 07:21:45
10 plus players Tfiog? Jeff will have a nosebleed. I can see us operating with a small squad again or promote some U's.
I suppose it depends on the definition of 'support' Fosuns may yet prove to be a little different to ours, so let's hope they surprise us.
2.) 15 Jun 2025 10:35:37
Tfiog I agree lots of new additions and replacements required. Personally I think priorities are new GK and probably 3 attacking players to replace Cunha, Sarabia and probably Guedes and/or Hwang. At the moment we lack creativity, not sure who would even take corners and free kicks. Additions required elsewhere as you mention, just hope VP gets the backing and is allowed sufficient funds. ??
3.) 15 Jun 2025 16:30:57
I said a few weeks ago that if the Cunha and AIT money is used wisely, we could have a stronger squad.
The players I mentioned to purchase with the Cunha money were Mohamed Amoura and Yuri Alberto. Both experienced players with games under their belts.
The AIT replacement would ideally be Bueno so no money needs to be spent there.
The other players that need replacing as they are involved in actual game play most weeks are Semedo (if he goes), Sarabia and Guedes.
Surely Lopez has been earmarked as a younger replacement for Sarabia. We've also been linked with: Guessand and Stassin who if correct will replace Guedes.
The likes of Doyle, Hwang and Forbs were little more than bit part players so their replacements don't necessarily need vast amounts of experience but they do need to be squad ready.
Semedo is the most difficult to replace. Is Lima ready to step up? I'm not sure so but if he does go, maybe we should consider James Justin from Leicester.
Djiga will be ready as will Mosquera, however, he may be loaned out.
Either way, the transfer market reopens tomorrow and I expect the squad to look very different between now and the end of the window.
27 May 2025 12:14:34
Final post of the summer and the most controversial.
Football despite complex accounts and a myriad of on field variables is in fact a simple game and business.
Win matches and make money, (the 2 are directly correlated in both directions - rich teams win matches and teams that win matches become rich)
So how have we been doing under Jeff these last 2 years.
This has been beaten to death with many posters on here either obfuscating, ignoring or directly denying facts.
So for the numerate ones amongst you 2 v simple to read and understand facts that illustrate exactly the aims of the club.
In the last 2 years of the Thelwell, Dalrymple and Nuno era - i.e. the 2 years up to Seville we came 7th twice and made, (according to the club's official audited accounts), an underlying, on going, pre player sales profit of just over £20m
Over the last 2 years under Jeff we have come 14th and 16th and made on the same basis as above a loss of over £182m.
So as I have said here many times under Jeff we have dropped down the league, 14th and 16th are not as good as 7th twice.
Whilst financially we have seen an over £200m swing from profit to loss.
Not sure how any Wolves fan defends this but I'm sure there will be some!
Have a great summer and I hope that everything you want, (both at Wolves and in your own lives), has come to fruition when the new season starts in August.
1.) 27 May 2025 12:35:22
Personally, I tend to look at the profit and losses of the entire business rather than just one element or everything except one element.
Usually find the accounts submitted to HMRC to be pretty accurate.
You may be correct about the pre sales figures, but you have to look at all of the figures and they don't seem as bad as you state.
Yes we've made a loss of over £200m pre player sales, BUT player sales form part of the business so must be included.
Anyway, have a safe summer and let's see where we are in the summer.
2.) 27 May 2025 13:40:21
TFIOG as usual you're not wrong and Wandering I think you're making his point for him. It's exactly because of those pre-player sales losses that Wolves are having to sell off the best on a continuous basis to avoid PSR.
If Fosun had done more to build the clubs income, hang on to our best and maintained the momentum pre-Seville maybe we wouldn't be scrapping to survive at this level. I don't think it's a coincidence.
3.) 27 May 2025 13:41:20
Sorry sent that a bit early, have a good summer everyone, let's see what next season brings.
4.) 27 May 2025 20:10:39
At risk of being called a pedant, Future there's one fact you've missed; summer hasn't even started yet! ?
I think that most of us believe it's going to be an interesting transfer window and, given that funds from sales may well be held back to cover at least some of the losses mentioned, I'm sure it'll be even more interesting for us to find out how much Fosun will be prepared to spend and how smart our transfer dealings turn out to be.It will make a very nice change not to have to rely on the next January window to get us out of trouble. Don't bank (excuse the pun) on it though!
5.) 28 May 2025 16:47:58
Fosun and WWFC, One's a super rich conglomerate while the other is a Club having to sell players and struggling to stay in the Premier League, must be some reason for them to own the Club, it has little to do with football, unless of course you see trading players as an entertainment, same old, same old for next season, repetitive and boring is an understatement.
6.) 28 May 2025 18:19:18
I am still hoping funds from player sales will be re-invested and VP will oversee and suggest some excellent players. Time will tell but have to try and be optimistic.
27 May 2025 11:52:00
Our realistic aim for next season (based on squads (ours and theirs) as are - so potentially changeable positively and negatively).
I split the teams into 3 groups
A)Liverpool, Arsenal, Man City, Villa, Newcastle and Chelsea - I don't see us being above any of these (although of course until recently we were well above both Villa and Newcastle).
B) Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth, Fulham, CP and Forest - the 3 Bs all seem to be moving away from us rapidly and although maybe Brentford are vulnerable to losing key men this summer the other 2 have deep and broad squads and superb recruitment records. Will European football be a curse or benefit for CP, will Forest collapse (a one season wonder?) and Fulham on paper just don't look that strong?
C) Man U, Spurs, Everton, WHU and the 3 promoted sides. Man U and Spurs surely with their money and squads can't be that bad again, (and with their money will surely add to and theoretically improve their squads), WHU hugely under performed and should be better next year whilst Everton are moving to a new stadium (impact?) with a very experienced and solid manager next year.
In conclusion I can't see us above all 6 of A at least 3 of B and 2 of C so 12th is the ceiling.
But 17th is not an unrealistic floor - and that makes 2 assumptions
1) We don't get markedly weaker - which with even only Cunha going we are unless he is well replaced and 2) all 3 of the sides coming up are hopeless (v confident Sunderland and Burnley will be less certain Leeds will be)
thoughts?
1.) 27 May 2025 13:20:10
We were much improved under VP. We won't be as bad next season.
2.) 27 May 2025 19:38:21
Wow. Hope you're not promoting tickets sales for next season.
3.) 28 May 2025 11:19:06
The season is over, no good dissecting it, we underperformed until vp came and steadied the pack. We're going to lose players, we always do, it's what wolves do, but we always seem to find a couple of talented players who come in and do a job, Vitor seems a sensible manager, he has his targets and I have no doubt that he will get us going from the start next season, no relegation worries, aim for top six, settle for top half, always remain positive, don't forget "WE ARE WOLVES", we always bounce back. COYW
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16 Jun 2025 09:37:37
Wandering You can obtain your answer by simple Maths. Take their transfer fees and increase by 13.8%, (although neither were bought as far back as ten years ago).
You will find that, as stated, although both were far more experienced both were, especially if the fee is more than the initial Euro 20m postulated, a lot cheaper. So thanks for the clarification.
16 Jun 2025 08:43:15
Madman - good response.
Of course there are risks in all transactions but some have more than others. An experienced player from the same league being at the low end and an inexperienced player from overseas being at the high end.
Normally this would be reflected in the price, the so called British Premium, but it appears we are paying a relatively high price for a player at the high end of the scale.
Hopefully what this means is that he is indeed a v special player - but that is exactly what we were told re Fabio!
Re trust obviously it was well merited under Nuno but since then, although we obviously have signed some diamonds, we have had a more patchy record. Last summer most of the players signed did not make the contribution we will be requiring from this year's crop.
Fortunately it is not the club that we have to trust as I am not sure that what that means - surely not Jeff - but Vitor and his team who to date have done enough to deserve some slack.
However as I stated it is impossible to get all transfers right and one could argue that of his 3 signings Djiga, Munetsi and Emmanuel only the latter looks like a nailed on starter.
Despite your comment on PSR we simply cannot afford a 1 in 3 hit rate if we are paying Euro20m + a time.
aken a battering over
15 Jun 2025 22:40:55
Wandering - As Arddunby states below they, (in fact all of the ones you mentioned), cost a fair bit less and were an awful lot more experienced, which of course is exactly my point, so thanks!
As I state I have never seen him play - although given he has virtually never played senior football I doubt too many of us have - but am willing to take a balanced view that our recruitment team have and rate him highly.
However to be so blasé about the clear and obvious risk in this transfer given our parlous state beggars belief.
Tim we haven't got time for them to improve! These players, the ones we are spending Euro 20m + on, have to hit the ground running. We, for financial reasons, can't buy more than a handful of players at these prices but may well need something like a dozen or so new bodies. If Lopez costs over Euro 20m and is not one of the nailed on starters then we may find ourselves needing to find one in the bargain bucket - a far tougher task.
15 Jun 2025 17:57:07
Arddunby and Madman why do you think that?
He is already 21 and yet worryingly has only played 17 games in La Liga.
If he is so good why has he played so little senior football?
More worryingly still however if you dig deeper he has in fact not really played 17 games. Although making it on to the pitch 17 times he has only played 90 mins once!
He has been either subbed on or off every other game and his total minutes played are just over 7 games equivalent.
Are you established after 7 games?
Clearly I haven't seen him play but I am sceptical that we can claim that he is anything other than a seemingly highly rated and regarded but unproven (old) kid who is therefore something of a punt.
If we are paying Euro 20m somebody, not Jeff - Fabio anyone, better be very, very certain he is the real deal as we can't afford to spend Euro 20m on anything other than locked in first choices!
I would rather structure a deal with a lower up front and heavy add ons/sell ons or take him on loan for a year with an option.
This summer is huge, see post on banter for sheer scale of our rebuild, and given our v modest financial position we cannot afford any mistakes and this transfer if at Euro 20m up front looks risky!
14 Jun 2025 23:58:35
Arddunby - completely agree about replacing Cunha. It is highly unlikely that any player capable of doing so would come to Wolves anyway even if we could afford him!
But we need more than prospects - unless you are accepting relegation and then rebuilding from the lower league?
Players like Andre, JSL and Emmanuel whilst not quite in Cunha's class were experienced pros more than capable of playing successfully from the get go in the Prem.
We just need to find another 4 or 5 of them at the sort of fees we paid for the aforementioned 3 i.e. circa £20m a pop. We can then fill in the squad depth with cleverly found bargains, frees, loans or as you say prospects, but ones priced at the £5m to £10m range rather than the circa £20m being mentioned for Fer.
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22 May 2025 00:32:39
Apologies I missed Nathan Collins out of the squad.
First thought was that he simply replaces "vacancy" as a back up.
However with only Toti comfortable on the left despite Kilman actually being left footed, I might say goodbye to Matt D and replace him with a LCB "vacancy"
22 May 2025 00:16:21
Wandering
You have hit the nail on the head!
We can't and haven't precisely because Jeff is grossly incompetent.
(ps it is not a theory but a fact - go read the accounts)
If Jeff could only run my club as well as say Brentford are run, they have no big stadium, no heritage or massive fan base, but made £230m more profit than us over the past 3 years pre player sales, we could easily have afforded not to sell any of those players with tens of millions left over to cover their wages!
We could in fact have afforded to keep Collins and MGW as well but would have to win a few more games to generate a bit more revenue to cover the wages. However with the 6 of them in the squad we wouldn't just have won a few more games but a whole bucket load meaning that we would now be a highly successful club both on and off the field rather than a club in real danger of failing both on and off the field.
In the first 11 Doherty obviously drops out as does Munetsi/Bellegarde and probably JSL.
Neves might play the Coady role meaning Toti might drop out but in reality the 6 of them would not just markedly improve the starting xi but the whole squad. For example Neves, Andre and Gomes J probably would not all be on the pitch at the same time that often unless Neves was in the back 3. However it is a squad game and the paucity of options - see Palace game this week - available to the manager (s) has really hurt us over the last few years.
Squad would look like
Sa - vacancy
Semedo -Lima
Emmanuel, Kilman Toti -Doherty, Yerson, vacancy (Djiga out on loan to see if he can make it)
RAN - Bueno H
Neves, Andre, Gomes J- Traore, Munetsi
Neto, Jota, Cunha. - MGW, JSL, Bellegarde, Gomes R
Looks really good and deep!
That front line is scary and MGW and JSL on the bench - wow anyone would think we were a serious top 7 team!
20 May 2025 23:42:56
Are you sure?
We played the Palace, (a lower mid table team) reserves and got smacked?
The fringe players?
Rodrigo was poor defensively - is he really a FB?
Djiga was not as good as "poor" and had to be removed.
Sarabia and Guedes, (neither of whom are likely to be here next season), were their usual selves, ie hopelessly inadequate.
Bentley shouldn't be playing Premier League football.
Our first 11 next season (depending on in-comings and
out-goings) might be just about good enough to stay up:
Sa, Semedo, Yerson, Emmanuel, Toti, RAN, Gomes J, Andre, Bellegarde, JSL and Munetsi but there is very very little behind them.
Even this will require JSL to massively step up because I don't see a lot of goals from Munetsi or Bellegarde and outside of Gomes J and RAN, (who along with Semedo might well not be here), no one else is likely to get more than the odd goal or two.
It is yet another huge summer for us and has to be better than the last few!
We need at least
a) 1 new GK capable of playing in the Prem
b) If Semedo is allowed to leave, (insanity!), a new first choice RWB as Lima is seemingly behind Gomes, who, (although normally looking a good player especially going forwards) is clearly not yet ready to be a first choice RWB! { same comment on RAN although Bueno H might be adequate - no more though -albeit a major downgrade going forwards)
c) At least 2 new CBs. At the moment we only have 3 who should be playing Premier league football - 1 of whom is currently recovering from another long term injury plus 2 not good enough Djiga - although early days - and Bueno and one now too old and not a cb anyway in Doherty?
d) At least 1 new CM as Doyle not good enough and Traore v v limited as a back up
e) Plus 2 or more new forward players at least one of whom has to be top half of the Prem quality from day 1!
In reality that is probably only 2 (or more if Semedo and/or RAN leave) first 11 players and a number of back ups but those 2 have to be top top quality players.
Finding them will not be easy or cheap!
20 May 2025 20:01:03
Wandering I have seen the rumour that he was offered £100k but also articles saying the offer was £60k.
Clearly only Adama and the club really know.
Additionally I have seen the £48k figure you quoted for his wage but also a £40k figure and indeed a £55k figure.
However you cut it though that is a fraction - only just over or indeed exactly 1/2 - of what Fabio was supposedly earning some £80k+
Given the relative contributions they were making you can see why he was far from happy.
It is your opinion that Jeff was wise to allow him to leave for free. Perhaps by the end there was no choice and to be fair his game had fairly significantly deteriorated - although playing in a team without a credible cf when you are an out and out winger will do that for you - by then anyway.
But at the time Fabio arrived and upset the apple cart he was one of the stars not just of the Wolves team but the Prem league.
Failing to keep him happy on and off the pitch meant that sadly we lost out on a superstar. However you are correct (and maybe Jeff takes comfort from this ) that he has failed to recover that level of magic since and Fulham are indeed only paying him the circa £65k you mention, albeit with the signing on fee to bolster his wage.
20 May 2025 17:36:22
Surely even Jeff isn't that incompetent? We treated Adama appalling, (he was being paid a fraction of the salary Fabio was but was being tasked with, (and succeeding), carrying the team after Raul's injury. He apparently asked for this to be recognised and we obviously said no?!
We, having completely lost any sort of relationship with him, then incredibly stupidly gave Barcelona a free option to look him over.
I have a very low opinion of Jeff but not even he could get it so wrong again.
Besides 2 more years of Cunha, even if you think he would simply sit there and run his contract down and leave on a free, might well be worth £62.5m.
With him in the side we would finish far higher in the league/stay in the league, show our existing squad and prospective signees we are a serious club etc etc etc.
Quite possibly worth a damn site more than £62.5m but Wolves sadly, due to Jeff, don't have the pockets to take long term sensible decisions but are living hand to mouth.
Worrying though that you think Wolves sign such horrible people that they all shaft the club. Why do you think Wolves have such a bad relationship with their employees that they all want to leave?