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04 Jan 2021 20:48:59
Is Ait Nouri an upgrade to Vinagre? Seeing his loan cut short, and the tag of 20m plus for the young Nouri, would it be an addition or money we could look to spend elsewhere and bring Vinagre back.

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04 Jan 2021 21:50:00
Obvious to anybody who has seen both play.

04 Jan 2021 22:02:23
Who do you think Jabba?

04 Jan 2021 22:05:32
Ait has potential and Vinagre flatters to deceive which is presumably why Olympiakos have cut short his loan.

05 Jan 2021 08:31:56
RAN is massively better than Vinagre - needs a bit of work on his defensive side, especially playing in a back four, but will be a hell of a player.

05 Jan 2021 09:28:06
Vinagre was always excellent going forward and stronger than RAN. Why bother buying a replacement with the same problems, always out of position when defending. Marcal is better than both and when Jonny is back will probably be an irrelevant discussion.

05 Jan 2021 10:00:34
Vinagre should play LW. Not unlike Bale in his early years. Rapid but a liability. Not saying he will become as good as Bale. I remember under Redknapp when Bale played at the back Spurs struggled. Pushed him forward and he exploded into life. Wish we could try Vinagre in a front three. Remember when he made Walker look a fool.

05 Jan 2021 14:09:37
I do find it bizarre how quickly peeps are writing off young talent! Ait Nouri came in with youth caps for France and half the big clubs watching him because he was highly rated! 8 apps later during our most challenging season, (especially defensively) and suddenly peeps want to chuck him on the scrap heap?! Honestly you look at some of the comments on here and you wonder what the actual problem, is it just the clubs approach or is it also fans that lack ANY patience for developing young talent?! As for Vingre well Nuno watched him for three seasons and decided he's not up to the job, incidentally so now have Olyimpiakos so I'm not convinced he's the answer if he's not even effective in the Greek league?! Patience people, the club have realised that we can't afford to buy stars so they are TRYING to make them! I grant you that can be a rough ride but let's not try to write peeps off before they've had much of a chance eh?! At the start of the season the pundits were saying Arsenal needed to get rid of Tierney, those same pundits are now singing his praises 🙄.

05 Jan 2021 18:22:12
Who is chucking him on the scrap heap? the question is merely asking is an upgrade on what we had already in Vinagre, which is a fair question.
You could say both have pros and cons, as Nuno says it's about find the solution in the squad, which Vinagre still is a Wolves player, and we are to pay another 20m for Ait Nouri and still have Vinagre on books.
Bringing back Curtrone also would not be that bad of an option if the rumours are true.
We don't really need to splash the cash if were smart enough, we have some good players coming back in from Injury, although if we lose one we may gain one in the transfer market maybe.

I'm. not questioning Nuno

In Nuno we trust.

05 Jan 2021 20:02:53
Fair enough Sydney but if we termenate his loan that's pretty final after just 8 apps, no? I'm not saying he is the answer, I was the first to call out his last performance but that was mostly cause I don't think he's suitable for a back four. The problem is though if the club cancel the contract, he goes else where and shines suddenly £20m looks like a steal and we've missed out, which peeps will also moan about. There's a reason we took a season long loan and there's no way the club will end it early unless there are problems. So is he any better than Vinagre, well let's wait and see. If not we have no obligation so it's win win really. I still think he can come good mind but I also think we need to stop with this back 4 nonsense cause for me it isn't working. Bizarrely (despite being bad at them) most of our goals right now are from set pieces so all a back four seems to do (for me) is result in cheap goals agaisnt us.
On a side note Sydney my comments are never aimed solely at you fella. The last time I wasn't necessarily saying you were scape goating (think that's the first time I'd seen yoh comment on Traore) . Like you said it's just my opinion, I'm the first to admit it might not be the right one. In Nuno we trust indeed 👍.

05 Jan 2021 20:45:25
Don't worry i'm very thick skinned and never take offence, sure that's what we come on here for, everyone is entitled to an opinion, and I for one respect what you were saying, always good to have a debate.
I hear what you are saying regarding Nouri, he has shown glimpses of a very gifted footballer, and I do hope he turns out for the better for us of course.
Vinagre for me still has something to offer our club, as does Curtrone, he has that raw roughness about him which I think will be ideal right now, we need a scrapper.
Traore right now is so frustrating to watch, because he has the world at his feet if he wants, I feel he has gone backwards, maybe partly to a new system or maybe he misses Doc, they had a good understanding of each other, as did Jota and Raul, that takes time to get again.
I still think we will finish much stronger than the current run, I just want it to happen sooner rather than later, as do we all on here.

05 Jan 2021 23:10:34
Sadly the deal I thought was we sold Vinagre for slightly more than we were going to pay for RAN. If we can't sell Vinagre or at least for anything like the £20m we have to pay for RAN then not only would we have yet another left sided player with Vinagre's return, but we probably can't afford to pay the £20m. However as Bully says we have an option so let's see how he does over the next few months and then decide what to do. If we don't rate him send him back if we do adjust the squad - sell someone else, (note with Marcal as well and Otto returning we will have LWB's coming out of of our ears), or, although a bit cheeky, simply flip him and take the profit-this might be a bit optimistic!
ps Sydney v good last post.



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