05 Apr 2022 22:54:39
I have been away again (mother in law this time) and so have only seen the game today - it would appear to have been on Aston Villa TV not Sky as although Leon Oman tried to remain neutral the lady commentator (sorry didn't catch her name) made no attempt to hide her love of Villa - bizarrely talking about them as a probable European challenger next season at one point and pointedly ignoring Wolves pretty much throughout
A game that should have been over by half time (Wolves could and should have been far more than 2 up by then), became much tighter in the 2nd half largely as a result of a v poor ref losing control of the game allowing it to become far too physical - something we know Wolves can't cope with physically or mentally.
Ratings
Sa 7 - Another excellent performance with several good saves. Not to blame for the pen. Should Coady have taken responsibility?
Otto 6 - Great goal and played well throughout but was possibly lucky not to be red carded for a couple of fouls after he had been booked
Boly 7 - superb in the first half but looked a little heavy legged as the game went on and struggled to cope with Watkins pace on a couple of occasions. If he can stay fit he will be a real assest next season - which I didn't think was going to be the case earlier on this year
Coady - v good throughout - calm and composed on the ball and defended well. Maybe could have done better with the penalty incident?
Kilman 6 - quiet but solid.
Marcal 7 - good defensively and excellent, (despite many Wolves fans normal assessment), going forwards. Shame he is leaving as a v reliable citizen and would make an excellent squad member particularly at the bargain price we had him
Moutinho -7 Another high class showing. A metronome in the middle - along with Neves he is the heartbeat of the team! Worrying that one or even both could be ripped out of the body next year.
Dendonker 8 - Won so many tackles and covered every blade of grass. This performance shows why he is a regular in the Belgian side. Will forgive him his wild slice just before half time.
Trincao 3 - a fabulous left foot and there is a really good footballer in there but 1) he makes Adama look like Jimmy Greaves (he butchered 3 chances in 5 minutes before half time alone and really has no idea what to do in the box ) and 2) and far more worryingly he has probably the worst attitude of any player to have played at Wolves, (Roger Johnson and Jamie O'hara?) in my life time - he literally jumps out of the way of tackles and often then makes a stupid foul - a sly shove in the back - to mask his pathetic efforts defensively . Given he is playing for a contract one dreads to think how he will perform once he is on a multi-million multi-year contract. My son asked if his lack of effort was laziness but to be fair to him, I don't think it is, sadly I fear it is bottle that is lacking - he just isn't up for it which in England unless you are playing for one of the refs favoured big 6 teams isn't going to work. Please don't sign him!
Silva 7 - A really good game especially in the first half only marred by stupidly running offside - just too keen and naïve - when in first half injury time a fabulous Boly ball gave Podence time to slide him through for a tap in. Sadly, it had to go to Dendonker instead and oh dear! Amazingly due to Jimenez's decline and his improvement for the rest of the season the shirt should now be his to lose. Have to take my hat off to him for getting stronger and much faster. Now looks like an adult footballer who should compete for a place in the squad next season - suspect we need to buy a new first choice number 9 but maybe between them after another summer of recuperation/training they can do enough to save us a fortune trying to find a first choice number 9.
Podence 8 - If Neves and Moutinho are the heartbeat of the team, he is the brain. Absolutely everything creative goes through him. Despite playing with two youngsters of variable levels of talent and commitment he kept the entire Villa back line off balance. Although he doesn't help himself with ref with his "theatrics" he was subjected to a roughing up throughout enduring several bad fouls that the ref seemed only to happy to wave on. Oddly though when Otto merely touched Coutinho softly a card was brandished - guess he is an ex Liverpool player so still gets the "big 6" protection.
Subs
Hwang - 5 Tries hard but isn't good enough. Should have scored with one of our few 2nd half chances
Neto - 5 Still working his way back but showing signs that next year he will be a threat again
Chiquinho - n/a
06 Apr 2022 00:30:44
What’s Coady’s rating Thefutureisgold?
06 Apr 2022 02:03:22
apologies I thought he was good so a 7
06 Apr 2022 06:49:32
Excellent you back Thefutureisoldgold.
Friday we live on skysports.
COYW
06 Apr 2022 08:49:03
I have to disagree on your rating for Trincao. He was excellent and caused Villa so many problems that they resorted to constantly fouling him.
06 Apr 2022 10:55:53
Jas - well they certainly fouled Podence lots not so sure about Trincao. I don't dispute that Trincao is an incredibly frustrating player - obviously highly talented with a fabulous left foot but surely you can't dispute the 2 points I made.
The shortcomings I identified have been a common thread throughout his career at Wovles and I see no reason why they should change especially if he has a nice long remunerative contract to fall back on.
However as Phil says it is all a matter of opinions and I have to accept that Wolves appear to agree with you not me!
06 Apr 2022 11:27:19
I think Lage the rest of this season and 100% definitely next season will have the/his team scoring more goals.
I'm positive that one way or another Lage will come up trumps.
I read Lage saying that we need to take our chances and kill the games off.
Regarding Trincao imo Leeds he was fantastic and played well agaisnt villa,yes parts of his game are questionable but I think I see what Lage/wolves does and that he is a team player can cut inside which goes the gameplan Lage wants.
06 Apr 2022 12:29:27
I think although he has improved, trincao hasn't done enough for me to warrant a permanent transfer.
Even if a swap with traore is Barcelona's offer I'd take a chance and have traore back for the final 12mths of his deal.
He lacks any real threat in the final third and uncomposed in front of goal.
I agree on the point about Marcal leaving, he'd be a good squad player for next season.
06 Apr 2022 17:07:04
I rate Trincao, but there are definitely flaws in his game at the moment. The main one for me is I think he's half a yard slower than he should be. If he didn't have those flaws though Barcelona wouldn't have let him go last summer.
You're right about the scoring more goals Phil. I think over the last couple of months we've been able to see improvements there already. One of the things I've been happiest about is pressing other teams in their own half so they make mistakes. There seems to be extra bodies going forwards at the right time as well.
I was unsure about Lage when he came in, but I like how he comes across and what he's done with the players he has. The big question for me is if he can bring in some of his own players will the performances and results carry on an upwards trend?
06 Apr 2022 17:24:42
SA
Kilman. Coady. Saiis
Semedo. Neves. Paulhinnia. Noutori
Ocampos. Saint maximin
Podence
Res from. Neto Silva boly Jimenez
Johnny ruddy cundle trincao
How's that for starting team for next season
06 Apr 2022 18:20:14
Future.
I also thought Trincao had a decent game as he did the game before. He is improving so to give him a 3, I think is out of order.I have to say it as I see it you certainly seem to have a
downer on him as you did on Fabio, but couldn't credit Traore
enough even when he contributed very little and that was over the course of a lot more games you always rated him.I wasn't Traore's greatest fan but never scored him that low.We all have
Opinions so we'll agree to disagree as they say.
06 Apr 2022 19:31:43
Norfolk you are absolutely correct when Fabio was poor, ( and he was v por for a v long time), I said so now that he is improving I have acknowledged that. If Trincao does the same - and all he needs to do is improve his attitude/effort as he is clearly a very talented, if totally one footed, player - I will do so as well. At the moment though all I see is a player who opts out of 50/50 in fact probably even 60/40 in his favour tackles and is a really awful finsher - butchering 3 clear chances in 5 mins before half time v Villa for example.
Wih respect to Traore he was regularly our best player indeed in the 2nd half of last season he carried the team to survival which looked unlikely at the end of January.
So yes I raved about him.
But totally accept your and anyone else's right to have differing views
guess that is what makes the game interesting!
06 Apr 2022 20:36:10
Yes Traore had some good games and yes he looked the pick of the team at times but his finishing and assists stats were appalling considering his age and experience.and you mention attitude, well Traore on many occasions looked so disinterested all I ask is a fair assessment of all our players I don't think
Trincao is getting that from you. He's not a world better but didn't deserve such a low rating. Opinions,opinions.
06 Apr 2022 23:25:51
Interesting debate gents, not sure I can comment on the ratings as I only saw the highlights. But I'm afraid there IS a reason Barcelona have Adama and we have Trincao. Add to this Trincao struggled to live up to the very price tag we have agreed for him in a VERY average LaLiga and personally I wouldn't be in a rush to sign him.
Answer me this, would anyone say he'd worth more to the team than ANY other player? Cause its not his fault but he's on the highest wages and I suspect would be wanting some sort of parity in wages to sign. So ratings aside can anyone honestly tell me we've seen anywhere near enough from Trincao to warrant £30m and £120-140k a week on wages?! I'm afraid not and I say that as someone who like many on here thought we'd made an absolute steal when he came in!
As for Adama who knows, I suspect a cut price move to Dan Levy sadly (I hate it when he gets his way:) but who knows?
Ps- good to have you back Future, sorry to hear your still having a tough time fella. Hope things get better soon for ya ?
07 Apr 2022 06:41:15
Norfolk hope you doing alright I agree with you in this feed as to me you are unquestionably correct.
Thefutureisoldgold hope you are alright in personal rough time of late.
Bullysboy agree trincao wages wow they are high.
Alex great post we are looking more what Lage wants.
Greyleg jonny imo to start every game as imo he is our best full/wing back.
Ocampos can you or someone tell me about him.
Boly start in place of saiss.
Paulinhino I like tge look of him.
A good team and squad you have there greyleg mate.
07 Apr 2022 07:24:23
BullysBoy, I personally would prefer Trincao to Adama. These last few matches has shown that he can cut it in this league. Adama had 3 seasons and flattered to deceive whereas Lage challenged Trincao to prove his worth as he clearly wasn't performing and he has responded.
07 Apr 2022 08:52:49
I agree that at the moment Trincao is not worth his reputed fee
or the high wage,but the last couple of games he has improved along with Fabio let's hope they continues.
Future. all I'm saying is when Traore gave a nondescript performance you never gave him such a low score, we had this conversation a while ago but you never actually answered the question then. We all have different views and favourite players we have players we don't rate but as I've said not the greatest Traore fan but always gave him credit when it was warranted
07 Apr 2022 09:01:37
Sorry Phil
Yes I'm alright, hope everything is good with you,looking forward to the game Friday on sky still trying to sort out how to watch all the games, got a vpn trial for 7 days but now I'm
An old un can't get my head around the tech to put it together so no further forward at the moment.
07 Apr 2022 09:53:26
All is good thanks Norfolk plenty of work but not much play.
As said to Abbey Post above I'm real looking forward to tomorrow.
Ps whatever all our posts are the Wolves are doing real well of which is the best thing above anything.
COYW
07 Apr 2022 10:45:32
If these ocampos rumours are true, and I'm sceptical,who would sign trincao over him?
Not me, ocampos is a quality player in a good Sevilla team, would be a steal if we could get him.
As for the speculation around Neves, I would love him to commit to a longer deal, but if it is for the greater good of the team then we have to cash in, reinvest and move forward again.After all,we ain't missed traore one bit, and I myself thought we would.
07 Apr 2022 12:18:46
I get what your saying Jas, in that Trincao has improved of late. However, you mention Adama flattering to decieve but he's got 4 assists in 10 apps on Bacra. Trincao on the other hand has 1 assist in 23 apps, so I have to wonder which one is actually flattering to deceive?
I also think to an extent its apples and pears. The VERY reason we are where we are with Adama is because we refused to give him the kind of money Trincao is already on?! So to ask again Jas, do you think Trincao is worth a £60m investment?! Cause that's how much we are talking with fees and wages. Take a look at some of the other transfers in the league and can we honestly say a lad with one assist and inconsistent form is worth that level of investment? I just don't see it I'm afraid ?
07 Apr 2022 14:13:15
Just spoke to a wolves fan regular supplier at work and he was a big Traore fan he just told me he likes trincao more than he did Traore and wolves should swap him for Traore as he thinks we won't get much for Traore so swap him for a decent better player lol I told him how much trincao is on and his jaw dropped.
07 Apr 2022 14:27:30
Hi Bullysboy
While I totally agree regards Trincao's potential investment amount being far to much for his return. As far as Traore is concerned he's not a regular at Barcelona at the moment after a very good start. I thought he had been offered a vast increase in wages but has always wanted to return to Barcelona so turned us down (maybe these are unfounded rumours)
Trincao and Fabio could really come good it's all a gamble, just look at seemingly a couple of mistakes with Pedro Gonclaves now at Sporting CP and Vitinha both now been looked at by supposedly bigger clubs people have different views we get some right but get some wrong
07 Apr 2022 22:51:18
BullysBoy, I understand that Trincaos form was not good but what I'm saying is that Lage has called the younger players out and challenged them to up their game and I think Trincao has done do. He is also 4 years younger than Adama. So yes, I think he is worth the investment if and it is an if he can produce on a consistent basis. I can only compare the 2 of them in the PL this season where you rightly say Trincao has only 1 goal and 1 assist, however Traore has 1 goal and zero assists. If you look at Trincaos stats whilst at Barca, he again outshines Adama.
07 Apr 2022 23:56:30
Its a fair point on the age cause I concede that it is VERY relevant (especially when talking value) but I'm just not seeing it with Trincao. He's had less than a months worth of good games and suddenly that's worth £60m? Jas (I normally agree with most of your posts buddy:) but to say Trincao outshone Adama at Barcelona just isn't true. Last season he got 3 goals and 2 assists, so far Adamas on 4 assists so its pretty much like for like. If you meant in the Prem then in Adamas last full season he had 2 goals and 2 assits so again (by the end of the season) probs about like for like.
Also with this I think we have to start understanding that (with the level of finances involved) I'm not asking you to choose between Adama and Trincao (I never said that). What I'm asking is would Trincao be the best way to spend £60m and I'm sorry but after watching him a LOT this season I don't think anyone could convince me he is!
So instead of comparing him to Adama consider what £30m in fees and £30m of wages means to THIS club. For context Jose Sa will cost the club around £14m (that's wages and fee). If you think that's cherry picking then Eze at Palace will cost them around £25m, Olise will cost them around £16m (again all fee and contracts included). With all of those examples they have MASSIVELY outshone Trincao and ALL came in at around a third of the costs (based on fee plus £40k wages on a four year deal). We don't need to spend our money to suit Barcelona we should be spending our money to suit Wolves! Trincao could represent the cost of around three players (spent wisely) for us and I'm sorry but I just don't see how anyone can HONESTLY say he's worth that just cause he's had a good month?!
There's a bigger concern here for me cause what's the driving force behind our deals?! Is it value for money or is it country of origin? Eze, Olise hell even Danjuma are/were MASSIVELY better value for money than Trincao or Fabio. So please someone tell me why we seem so rigid on our only Portuguese youngsters approach?! I get the Mendes link I really do, but I ask you. what is the point of a staff discount if its for a product valued at twice its REAL value?!
08 Apr 2022 07:28:44
I agree. He's not worth £60m but if Lage decides to buy him, I'll 100% back him.