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23 Jun 2021 20:09:04
Most of the posts go to the Wolves Banter page

Also more posts are being added to the Wolves Discussion Posts page

23 Jun 2021 20:05:18
Ruben vezo of levante set to sign with wolves next week fee of 15m .

23 Jun 2021 13:33:42
Tony Roberts going to be our new goalie coach with wales at mo in euros.

23 Jun 2021 17:29:54
Was good pro keeper I recall - many years at QPR.
Good addition.

22 Jun 2021 12:56:02
Liverpools Neco Williams is a target for Wolves £10million is the asking price.

{Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath.}

22 Jun 2021 13:56:49
I would hope not.

22 Jun 2021 14:37:03
Liverpool have a habit of buying well and selling well. Like buying Jota from us cheaply and getting big money for dubious talent like Solanke to Bournemouth. I'd count my fingers after dealing with them.

22 Jun 2021 16:29:19
And the previous rumour - I'll believe it when I see it. Journalists are paid to make up trash!

22 Jun 2021 17:32:30
Except for last rumour I posted happened, I don't just post something I see on one sports site I research it and confirm it with various others.
Still doesn't mean it'll definitely happen though lol.

22 Jun 2021 18:39:16
I never really question the validity of posts on this site, it is after all a rumour site, and I say that respectfully. What I find this site is great for is gathering other people’s opinions on the rumours or players and getting alternative views on players / performances and tactics.

23 Jun 2021 06:39:36
Well said DM!

23 Jun 2021 10:29:23
RKO, your posts are always welcome. But it makes no difference if you see the same rumour on different sites, that doesn't make it more genuine. A journalist writes something. It might be complete rubbish or invented. Then most other websites repeat it. Same old, same old. Now and again a rumour will prove to be true, but most of Wolves business is NOT done in public, we only hear when the deal has been agreed.

23 Jun 2021 12:17:15
That's why I put "still doesn't mean it'll happen" Deepthroat mate.
Wolves have always done business quietly and the first we learn of it is when the deal is done, sometimes on rare occasions the media get it right but very rare.

23 Jun 2021 17:02:10
This page is rumours page so a rumour is never a fact.
I like reading Deb Jas Rated Tom Tatter Madman posts of what has been circulated on the internet.

I do miss the man up the tree at compton but the players aren't back in for pre season training yet so that's probably why lol.

Next season come on me BABIES let's sock it to them and make every wolf howl with delight.

21 Jun 2021 10:00:31
Benfica's Gonçalo Ramos is also reportedly on Wolves' radar this summer. The 19-year-old striker has a whopping €120million release clause, despite only playing 93 minutes in the Portuguese top flight last term, and is believed to have interest from England.

O Jogo (via Sport Witness) claims Wolves are one of the interested clubs but adds that Ramos won't command a fee close to his release clause.

Ramos has primarily played for Benfica's B team over the past two seasons but he has scored four times for the senior team. He's well known to new Wolves boss Lage, who coached in Benfica's youth set-up before stepping up to first team level in 2019.

Lage wants 'new Ronaldo'
In addition to Ramos Wolves have been linked with Brazilian centre-forward Kaio Jorge, who is also just 19.

The Santos striker has been likened to Brazilian icon Ronaldo and scored four times in 28 league games last season.

A Bola claims Lage is an admirer of Jorge and that Wolves have 'already made a formal proposal in the region of €15million' to sign him.

Jorge has been linked with Arsenal and Chelsea in the past and looks set to move to Europe at some stage in the near future.

Tasty more attacking players.

21 Jun 2021 12:54:07
With all these teenagers linked to us, are we going to have a creche at the Mol? Maybe we will have Mothercare as our new shirt sponsor?
Come on Bruno, we need age and experience as well.

21 Jun 2021 13:55:22
Madman and Deep - I mentioned the Brazilian kid yesterday and he certainly seems to have some pedigree scoring a good few goals for Santos in Brazillian senior football. But of course we do need to balance out the squad.
At the rumoured €15m he is not cheap - although a screaming bargain compared to Silva who, despite a season in the Prem is frankly still an unproven kid - and we presumably have a limited budget. So far from certain that we can be splashing too much cash on ones for the future rather than ready to play hardened pros.
Consequently I m pretty sure we shouldn't buy both of these chaps - although of course the Portuguese lad's release fee of €120m is irrelevant I can say my house is only for sale at £25m but it doesn't mean I have will a line of buyers outside the door or that its even worth £2.5m.
I don't know the Portuguese kid at all but it would be interesting to know how he is viewed in Portugal compared to Silva as they are similar ish in age?
Given like Silva he has minimal experience I would hope that if we do buy him we structure the tranfer differently this time and don't pay more than a nominal sum up front with (potentially substantial) add ons for actual performance.
Although with the precedent already set it will be hard I would also hope that we pay wages in line with his experience and don't make him one of the highest earners in the squad as we did with Silva undoubtedly causing significant problems in the dressing room - Can you blame Traore for being unhappy when a lad not fit to clean his shoes let alone lace them is paid almost double what he is?

21 Jun 2021 14:12:52
Wonder who scored the most goals and had the most assists per minutes played.

21 Jun 2021 14:14:55
Future, when Mad Mick made his new signing, Roger Johnson, captain, that was the start of a terrible season resulting in relegation. The dressing room unity was well and truly upended. Johnson was not worthy of displacing the previous captain Karl Henry in seniority and wages. In the same way, paying big wages to a rookie kid now will lead to problems.

21 Jun 2021 14:21:47
Fabio Silva isn't on more than Traore. That's just stirring the pot with that nonsense. Where's the proof? Traore had niggly injuries all season and couldn't be relied on. The team got 4 results together with Sheff Utd and Fulham now he's world class again. I'd sell for 40m.

Disagree the club have brought good youngsters since the championship to see if they can develop and supplement the 1st team if sold. For example we sold Goncalves, signed Rafa Mir, Neto, Jordao, Shabani, Vitinha and Fabio Silva. All for sums between £1.5-£35. The club chases young players to improve the standards throughout the club.

In terms of experienced players it's difficult. We have chased numerous players the last few years including Zinchenko, Maitland-Niles, Ruben Dias and a host of others.
The difficulty has been that the wolves squad was playing very good football so who would you push out the squad before the 2020/ 21 season? As a player you'd look and think I have no chance of breaking into that squad. On the flip side Wolves struggled to sell Wolverhampton to Zinchenko. Maitland - Niles wants to play as a midfielder. And Benfica probably wanted more than we were willing to pay for Dias. Plus City came in for him.

22 Jun 2021 07:20:40
Thefutureisoldgold is correct in Silva is paid more than Traore.
I looked on google wolves players earnings.
Mouthino and Patricio the 2 highest paid £5.2 million (a year) and surprisingly Silva is the third highest paid at the club on £4.16 million.

22 Jun 2021 07:30:18
I wouldn't trust those sites Phil mate. Some of them say Silva earns £80k a week, another says £43k and another says £10k.

22 Jun 2021 08:14:48
Cheers Jas. 👍.

22 Jun 2021 11:04:05
All - Unless you have seen the pay slips you don't know for certain but whilst as Jas says various web sites have different levels the majority seem to indicate that he is the 3rd highest paid on between 80 and 90 a week with Traore on something like 50 a week.
Logic would indicate that this, Silva's wage, is likely to be correct. If you buy a player for £35m ie superstar transfer fee you don't put them on the same money as Owen, (circa 10k per week) even if they are a similar age and tragically, as it turned out, a similar stage of development. They go on a superstar wage, which at Wolves would be the 80 -90k a week level (slightly more than Semedo who I believe is the next highest paid - logical again given his transfer fee.

22 Jun 2021 11:27:18
I remember reading on one site matt Doherty was on 12,000 Sterling per week, that was two seasons ago. That is championship money.

22 Jun 2021 12:01:46
Tbf that's like any work place though. An employee from 20 years ago might have a better pension scheme. But the new grad might start on £12k more a year than when the experienced member of staff started due to inflation, qualifications etc etc. Traore was unknown and hadn't really proved himself anywhere. So 50k a week for a risk was right.

To attract one of the best wonder kids in Europe you will have to pay real Madrid salaries.

The difference is Traore was slumming it up in Middlesborough. Whilst Fabio was being nurtured and technically cultured in Porto.

22 Jun 2021 12:06:54
I would just also point out that Traore is ONLY still on that wage cause he won't sign a new contract! The club have been trying to renew since before Fabio arrived (I suspect for-seeing this problem) . If he won't sign a new contract then he can hardly complain about the terms on his old one!

22 Jun 2021 12:36:20
BB - guess it depends on what he is being offered. It might - don't know - but might also refelct his concerns as to where we as a team are going and his role in that journey.
Madman - spot on! The tragedy is that on the evidence to date he is probably not one of the best kids in Wolverhampton let alone Europe.

22 Jun 2021 12:37:27
Exactly Bullyboy. Where's the loyalty? We are the club that gave him a 2nd chance in the prem. Took him to a European qf, FA Cup semi final and the Spanish squad. Did any of his previous clubs do that?

22 Jun 2021 13:53:32
Future-of course you are correct and it could be either of those reasons (low offer or not convinced on the project) . But sometimes the obvious answer is the right answer and I suspect the problem actually is that he wants to play for a top four club! In fact like most players of his calibre (originally a Barce protégé) I suspect he's always been driven back towards that goal. I think it's easy to let everyone assume that he's not signing cause the club aren't doing enough when the truth is we have always just been a step along the way for him, just like we were for Jota. Not blaming the players, it is what it is when you sign high calibre players. But that doesn't mean its the clubs fault either 👍.

22 Jun 2021 14:40:44
BB - good post and of course agree. Secret for us then is to try and get the team and all our players further along that road until we are so close there is no point in moving ie we are a top 4 team!
As an example I'd like all public schools to close because state schools are so good no one would spend 20k a year to go elsewhere!
It will always be a compromise how long we can hold a player that is improving - can we improve alongside them so that the team is the right level for them. Can we build fast enough!
Until last summer surely no one could complain and I really believe Jota left on our terms not his but sadly as we have discussed till its boring the upward trajectory stalled and maybe Neves and Traore (and if he was fit Neto) now don't have the same degree of faith and are more easily swayed by other options.

22 Jun 2021 20:54:16
Yep agreed Future, the only way to get a seat at the top table is to earn it! But me thinks that takes a few more Adamas yet!

Just think of some of the talent Lec have lost just to get to where they are today, which is still only on the reserves list for the top four.

I know you know this Future, but (just saying:) it's a marathon not a sprint 🐺.

22 Jun 2021 21:29:22
BB - can't disagree it will be incredibly hard, indeed (given the huge disparity in money at the moment and seemingly for the foreseeable) it may be nigh on impossible.

As you identify with Leicester no matter how many Adama's you have you can't bridge it simply by selling players but you must also buy v v well and develop a talent pipeline through your youth program. Even then as you say it does indeed take time and being patient is v v hard.

You must also make virtually no mistakes in the market neither sellling too early / cheap nor buying duds

However what we also need to do far far better though is develop the brand, especially overseas, so that the cash disparity declines.
Despite being v succesful on the pitch during the Nuno era our commercial revenues stubbornly refuse to grow.

I Did a post comparing our finances to Everton's the other week (when both clubs issued accounts) and although gate and TV money, due to our European run and league success, were v similar the commercial revenues were not only massively better at Everton but the gap was increasing!

Maybe Shi needs to stay away from the football side - wHere he appears to be clueless and focus on the commercial side where his performance to date has been woeful.

22 Jun 2021 23:00:44
So you want Jeff Shi to basically leave the club? The same Jeff Shi who convinced Jota, Patricio, Boly, Mouthinho, Jimenez, and Neto to sacrifice European football to join our project. Or the Jeff Shi who oversaw our biggest ever shirt and sponsorship deal and oversaw our growth in China. I mean, its not like a multi billion pound company have just plucked him out of the air. He is there for a reason, that reason being that he is good at what he does.

23 Jun 2021 10:51:09
The Future. Interesting post. I think there is some confusion over who is responsible for signings, investment and commercial revenue.

The fact remains we are still behind Everton, Leicester and West Ham commercially. There are many reasons for that but to even be saying we are trying to compete above that shows the inroads wolves have made over the past 4 years. The fact remains that we need European football as the bare minimum every year to close the gap on the top clubs in the league.

Now Jeff isn't in control of everything he is more like a puppet master. Overseeing every department and when each member of the team ask for investment or a change then that is made. Mendes is a close friend and advises which players are available and will work with the manager and Scott Sellars on players. Mendes is key as he knows when contracts end, when players are unhappy and which clubs need to sell and which clubs are ready to buy.

Scott is Tharyples replacement in my opinion. And a good one when you think he has developed Otawosie, Morgan Gibbs White, Goncalves, Burr and Sanderson. And due to his links at Man City was responsible for signing the young English goalie and Matheson in previous Windows.

It's also right to question Fosun, Jeff and Mendes. However the club was a shell when they took over. We had a proud tradition of being a championship team for the past 30 years. Albeit Jeff is responsible for closing the commercial revenue gap with those clubs I mentioned. Adding £200 per season ticket is one way. But the club did do things rather cheap over the 4 years under Nuno when you think 3 Europa group stage matches for £60 was one deal. Even home tickets in the corner were £25. Which is cheap when compared to Leicester, West Ham, Everton and Newcastle. For the football the club was offering.

18 Jun 2021 12:37:04
Apparantly Traore going to Chelsea £30million plus Abraham apparantly.
Again this is just hearsay i've heard.

{Ed002's Note - I would not hold your breath.}

18 Jun 2021 12:56:18
You said they was only looking at work permit situation about the last one I posted and look what happened next day lol :P
But banter aside i'm with you on this Ed.

18 Jun 2021 14:39:26
Rated, don't know where you got the Chelsea/ Traore/ Abraham rumour from. I'd be astonished if it were true.

18 Jun 2021 15:11:18
That’s the kind of deal we need to be looking at creatively (we may not get quite as favourable a cash adjustment mefinks) . If we’re letting our better players go to our competitors we should be leveraging for their better ones / promising ones. I still think Hoever was a great addition last year though his valuation in the Jota deal was clearly nominally more than it should have been.

19 Jun 2021 14:07:24
I think Chelsea are looking at a new RWB and are looking at Traore. Looks like they will sign Hakimi though. If PSG sign Hakimi I'd say they will definitely come in for him.

Personally I'd really like to keep Adama just to see what he could do under Lage.

19 Jun 2021 15:24:41
Big Traore fan but surely not a RWB at the top level. As Ken says elsewhere he needs to be told go out and win games.

Play freely - cutting inside beating his man (men) and driving into the box or going outside and putting in crosses for colleague (s) to convert.

When he is doing his thing he is unplayable and certainly good enough to play for anyone in the league/ Europe but hopefully it can be for Wolves!

19 Jun 2021 16:25:52
future, spot on my friend I'd try that before selling. He's never really played with the leash off!
If it works great we don't have anything to lose by trying if we do we may gain so much.

19 Jun 2021 19:56:18
Yeah I have to agree with Future here, signing Traore speficially to play RWB would be beyond foolish! Firstly it's a complete waste of his best talents and with his nomadic approach to the game he'd always be out of position. But more than that it would be like a lisence to give away silly pens. Tackling is not his forte and with his size wingers would just have to bounce off him to win um.

18 Jun 2021 08:58:29
According to Portuguese outfit UOL "Wolves are evaluating the possibility of signing former Chelsea and Atletico Madrid striker Diego Costa, with the 32-year-old Spain forward available on a free transfer. "

And so it begins. being continually linked with the same players.

18 Jun 2021 11:38:26
Debbie I think this one is a mis-quote. Jeff Shi actually said I'm going to buy everyone a coffee not I'm going to buy Costa.
Seriously if you've got money to burn and you want to upset your opponents he's as good as anyone!

19 Jun 2021 13:47:03
ROLF I'm in stitches laughing that much Ken your a legend mate would absolutely love to be sat with you at a game I can imagine how much I would be laughing keep it up mate your posts at least makes me happy and I'm sure more feel the same.

19 Jun 2021 15:11:11
Gag I wasn't trying to be funny really. It was just to highlight the absurdity of press speculation it's the same every year. If they have nothing or they half hear something they fill a column with utter tripe. Anything to fill space in a newspaper to show how well or ill informed they actually are. We know from experience that Fosun do the business quietly and you find out when it's done.

17 Jun 2021 14:50:16
Confirmed: Wolves announce the signing of Yerson Mosquera on five-year deal.

17 Jun 2021 15:34:39
USEFUL. I do see Lage using Coady as a midfielder again if he can assemble a good back four. All a guess?

17 Jun 2021 16:15:33
Iwas thinking the same TBG Sevlow46.

17 Jun 2021 16:42:16
Wolves technical director Scott Sellars says that Bruno was involved in the Mosquera transfer. So far, one in, and none out! Mosquera has played as a striker in the past so he knows where the goal is.

17 Jun 2021 20:14:02
Well some if the clickbait sites are saying Benitez has authorised Everton to move for Connor Coady. Make of it what you want but I agree with other posters, a deep midfield role with the option of dropping into a back 3 if needed would suit Connor and increase his developmwnt as a player.

17 Jun 2021 20:43:50
Fosun will hold on to Connor. Surely he is the CROWN JEWELS for Wolves at present. Worth 150 million and plays with heart on sleeve. He is more than special!
Selling Connor would be such a retrograde step especially now as he will be a central part of remoulding the team. So in my opinion Fosun should say “on your bike Benny”.

17 Jun 2021 21:16:49
Selling Conor would be crazy for a new manager the Club Captain is the heart of the club and he's topclass in his role. Though anyone who wants to play a back three would love him in the middle.
I said afew weeks back Bruno could play him in front of the back four because he reads the game so well and his passing range is top notch but we wait and see. Every player has a price but to sell him now would be daft. But hey who knows!

17 Jun 2021 21:20:43
Agree Sevlow.

17 Jun 2021 21:44:12
Like you say Arddunby "clickbait sites". Last week Nuno had the Everton job and every player and their brother were going to Everton. Benitez hasn't even been named as Everton's new manager.

17 Jun 2021 21:48:06
150 million? Can I have some of what you are on Sevlow? He's an excellent captain but will never make a premier midfielder as some suggest. It was Nuno who turned him into a top sweeper from journeyman championship midfielder.

17 Jun 2021 23:04:43
Of course that figure was just a snub Old Wulf. Would you sell Connor for 50 million now and have Wolves demolished to rebuild?

18 Jun 2021 03:17:34
I'd take 50m for Coady in a heart beat.
I love his character and his heart. I also respect wholeheartedly what he has done for the club both as a a player, captain and a person. However I feel he has reached a limit like some of the other players in the squad. I can't see him being an integral part of the team that gains champions league football.
He was great in a back 3 but his sweeping diagonal passes were sussed out once we lost our effectiveness on the flanks.
He looks terrible in a back 4.and he lacks pace.
He isn't isn't quick or effective enough as a defensive midfielder and he needs time to allow him to effect games with his passing.
50m could bring an experienced head and more nous both in defence and midfield. To think you could have Ben White and Palhinha from the sale of Coady.

18 Jun 2021 07:15:04
White and Palhinha for £50m? If we could, I'd snap them up but haven't Brighton just rejected £40m from Arsenal saying they want £50m and Sporting want £30m for Palhinha.

18 Jun 2021 08:45:30
17m for Palhinha Jas. Selling Coady could help buy two very good prospects. Buying a younger English ball playing defender and an experienced ball winning midfielder.
It's the sort of signings that would show our intent. Put into the mix Vinagre is want by sporting it makes the deal even easier.

18 Jun 2021 09:50:41
Sporting are reported to be interested in Vinagre so if we are after Palhinha there is probably a deal to be done. Though its rare that players we are constantly linked with ever actually come to us. Fosun usually keep it very quiet.

18 Jun 2021 10:41:08
I thought the £17m price was last season and they now want £30m as he's had a very good season.

18 Jun 2021 14:06:29
Jas I thought it was 30m last year and had been reduced as he has less time on his contract. Ultimately Palhinha must want to play in prem as the rumours keep coming out. Maybe Wolves didn't want to pay 30m last summer.

18 Jun 2021 14:44:51
As much as I like Conor Coady there's no way on earth he's worth £150mil. Try a fifth of that. Say £30mil tops. He will stay at Wolves and do the same job for Bruno that he did for Nuno. No way would he go to Everton and the fans there would not like his Liverpool background.

18 Jun 2021 20:19:03
Deep I'd tend to agree with you re Coady valautions, although I certainly don't want to sell him!
However I was out with a die hard Leeds fan the other day and he was chatting about players he'd like from Wolves and there was only 2, Traore and Coady and he put a "value" of £60m on Coady!
Maybe we undervalue our own players?
Certainly it would appear we hugely underrate Traore who it seems is wanted by all the top sides in Europe and Leeds yet is considerd surplus to requirements by many Wolves fans - baffling as he is our best player by a distance!

19 Jun 2021 10:51:22
Future, I agree that Traore is our best player. I rate him north of £50mil. He's got speed and physicality, which Coady lacks.

17 Jun 2021 11:07:59
If Brighton can turn down a 40million bid for Ben White from Arsenal why should we sell Neves for 35million, I'm baffled.

17 Jun 2021 11:54:01
Maybe Uncle Jorge sets the sell on fee when we sign one of his clients.

17 Jun 2021 13:13:16
35m is the rumoured figure. Arsenal or the media do not get to set the price. Arsenal rejected Roma's initial bid for Granit Xhaka.

17 Jun 2021 13:26:49
As far as I'm aware we haven't accepted £35m?! Also what you are looking at here is the good old 'English Player Premium'!

16 Jun 2021 12:32:31
According to Jedward on twitter Colombian centre-back Yerson Mosquera will be our first signing.

{Ed002's Note - The club are checking on his qualification for a Work Permit.}

16 Jun 2021 13:27:42
Thanks Ed mate.

16 Jun 2021 21:07:01
Well at £4.5m - £6m for a 20 year old playing in adult football, albeit in Columbia, his price isn't mad and he is a RCB where we have a need so seems quite a rationale move?

16 Jun 2021 21:19:24
So weird cause reading some posters on these pages (not you Rated:) I thought we were selling off every player and bringing no one in?! Whereas with this player we seem to be signing a 20 year old who's been previously tracked by some of the biggest clubs in the world?! It's almost like Fosun aren't trying to completely devalue there own investment?! 🤣.

16 Jun 2021 21:47:30
BB - I sincerely hope no one thinks that Fosun are deliberately damaging the investment that they built so superbly over the first 4 years of ownership. Sadly the damage that was done last year - {and surely you have to accept that quite a lot of damage was done- no European football which there was the year before, dropping down the league after rising steadily, the loss of Nuno etc etc ) was merely the bi product of poor management decisions by Jeff Shi that do not need to be repeated!

16 Jun 2021 22:15:09
Not aimed at you Future (or most of the usual posters for that matter) as most have the sense to understand (like you) that Fosun may have made previous mistakes, but these were precisely that just mistakes! And let's be honest we are talking about one ill judged window which may not have even been there fault! As I've said MANY times people should read the article in the Athletic and realise that moving Docs on was Nunos choice cause he made Semedo his top target! Or that the club/ Fosun wanted to buy Dani Olmo (who is currently looking an amazing prospect) but Nuno overruled it and went with Mendes choice (Podence)! Whoever was at fault they were just mistakes, rather than this (frankly childish) conspiracy theory I've seen creeping on to here of some sort of fire sale to make a quick buck!
I would just say though Future that none of us on here can (definitively) say sacking Nuno was a mistake because we (all) have no real clue what went on there. I think it was a push before ya jump situation, they new he would keep applying for other jobs and when that's the case it's hard to develop a team. Also none of us have even seen what Lage is about yet?! There were Lec fans saying the club would regret sacking Pearson, they don't admit it now but some were definitely saying it at the time! 👍.

16 Jun 2021 22:28:20
ps Apologies to Jeff Shi the absence of European football in 2020/ 21 was not his fault we failed to qualify in 2019/ 20 when he was not responsible. Sorry!

17 Jun 2021 11:06:53
Future/ Bully, after four years of significant year-on-year progress, Fosun fouled up in the 2020 summer transfer window. In truth we had tempted fate with a small squad in those years but injuries finally caught up with us this past season. This is normal in football, long runs of luck are guaranteed to end. This does not mean that Fosun have lost interest! On the contrary. They have acted swiftly to replace Nuno. Just look at the PL teams from last season who are still without a new manager/ coach! This is just the end of the beginning rather that the beginning of the end for the Wolves/ Fosun project.

By the way I would appreciate a link to the Athletic article you mention.

17 Jun 2021 12:03:48
I don't think Nuno or Fosun failed last transfer window.
The teams that did better during the 2020/ 21 invested in British based players for example Villa and West Ham. However we lost one of the most prolific strikers in Europe before his injury in Raul. Even just after his injury we were picking points up for a few games Chelsea for example comes to mind.
But no club in the league could plan for the C.V. A combination of horror I juries like Rauls and Jonny doing a similar injury twice in a season just shows that's two players missing of that squad that took us to the Europa qf. Not to mention the changes and niggly injuries that other players had. Neto missed a 3rd of a season. That's Jeff's fault aswell? 😂 Come on at least give a balanced perspective of the past 16 months.
Nuno's style had got sussed out. I respect the man and what he did for the club more than any one who has served the club in my lifetime. But his ideas were stale and he failed to get the most of a squad that was still strong enough for better results last season. 2 years ago Nuno would have played the kids and they would have got results. Man city in the league Cup comes to mind etc etc. But Nuno lost his mojo last season.

17 Jun 2021 12:09:11
Deep - good post. V Churchillean!

17 Jun 2021 13:09:45
Madman. I agree with most of what you say with a but. Nuno has my utmost respect first as a man and then as a manager. Lost his mojo? I'm not so sure about that. I think he illustrated to Jeff that he hadn't got the players to change the style of play to a more attack and possession game. We certainly couldn't play a back four with any success but switch back and stay in the division. I think he made a point. I also don't think he signed his current contract without guarantees on budget, would you? It's plain that there was a total breakdown between Nuno and Shi so there was only going to be one winner. Shi made his decision we all have to move on I know but frankly I'd have expected more patience and understanding with last couple of years with little down time. Especially as one of Shi's comments has been the "we are ahead of schedule". A break and a bit of breathing space would probably have done everyone a bit of good but anyway, life! and on we go. Shi has work to do!

17 Jun 2021 13:29:37
Some good points/ posts gents, Ken I'm not sure anyone can rely on ANY guaranteed budgets. Footballs a business and like most businesses you MUST always adapt to your position in the market! 👍.

17 Jun 2021 13:30:53
Deep- I think you will need an Athletic login buddy, I will try to copy and paste it for you later (if I can:) 👍.

17 Jun 2021 14:12:25
Madman it is obviously a matter of opinion as to the success or otherwise of the summer 2020 transfer window but despite Nuno stating in the summer of 2020 that the squad was too small and unbalanced, as you acknowledge, we were still not able to cope with 2 injuries, one of which was known! .
Surely it is mad to believe that after 3 years of no injuries we would get the same in the 4th
We bought 6 players 2 RBs - to replace a player we sold, Doherty, 2 LBS to replace the injured Otto, 1 mid, Vitor, who Nuno never played (so clearly he didn't think it was a great transfer) and 1 forward who had to replace Jimenez when he got injured and surely you accept failed to do so - we got virtually no points in a 10+ game run until Jose ( who wasn't great either) arrived!
We bought 6 players but 4 of them were youngsters for the future, 1 was, (perhaps unluckily), permanently injured and only 1 was an experienced fit pro and he was merely a replacement for a player we sold so not really an expansion of the squad. Was this enough or wise?
We had an obvious need, and still do, for a RCB but didn't buy one an obvious need, (still do), for an experienced AM to replace Moutinho and brought in Vitor who Nuno didn't rate or want ( well he didn't play him! ) and an obvious need for an adequate back up to Jimenez - especially after selling Jota - and bought Silva who clearly was a long long way from being ready? It turned out we should have bought a replacement for Rui last summer not this as well but that wasnt obvious so is forgiveable!
You also talk about buying British based players as if that was not something we could do? I think WH and Villa bought succesfully both in Britain and overseas as did Leicester, Everton and Leeds
to name but 3 more as well?

17 Jun 2021 14:27:08
Interesting comments above about Nuno. Did his tactics get sussed out. Did he lose his mojo. Or was he let down by Jeff. Etc etc. It's also interesting that Crystal Palace and Everton both seriously considered hiring him but backed off. Apparently it's the size and cost of Nuno's backroom team that's the problem. Everton have Duncan Ferguson in place as a number two; would he have to leave to accommodate Nuno's team? Could it be that Jeff didn't think that Nuno and his team were value for money any longer? My guess is that Bruno Lage will come in with a much smaller team and work with Wolves own specialists. Leaner and meaner?

17 Jun 2021 16:04:43
Deep. Wolves will have to employ new specialists because we don't have any of our own for the first team squad.
BB I'm well aware that budgets can and have to change. After Raul got injured Nuno said we would get players in the January window. That's when the relationship with Shi broke down. I don't see Jose as Nino's pick but that's what he got. Rumours were that he was going to be sacked after the WBA game. Shi raves over Silva but he's got a long way to go yet.
I know it's all over and done with but it still angers me that they couldn't sort it out!

17 Jun 2021 17:05:24
Ken, we pretty much know that Jeff did the Silva deal. I don't know about the William Jose deal, but Jose actually seemed to be the ideal experienced and proven striker to provide alternative options to Silva. I don't think Nuno would have objected. It surprised everyone that Jose only scored once. As for other players in January, we brought MGW back in and also Patrick Cultrone, so Nuno got three reinforcements in all. Cultone was sent back on loan, why? At least MGW started to come good in the end. We should have done far better with the January reinforcements and this is when I think the Jeff-Nuno relationship started to break down. The shocking home defeat to Burnley would have been the final straw.

17 Jun 2021 17:57:54
Deep. I know I'm just quibbling over spilt milk I just think it's a terrible shame it's come to this! I hope it works out for us all mainly Lage because he's in the hot seat and there to be shot at! In l honesty I didn't think Jose was that bad he held the ball up and linked play quite well would probably have scored when he was brought down for the penalty against Arsenal. Plus I lost count of the number of times he got into space to score then didn't get the all important pass. Anyway that's the last time I'm going to mention it for which you can all breathe a sigh of relief! Unless it winds me up again that is!
I hope if Lage decides to play 2 up too in Raul and Fabio I hope they bring in some cover because we cannot be that vulnerable again!

17 Jun 2021 21:10:23
Here ya go Deep (and anyone else that wants to read Enjoy:) 👍

On the day itself the news came as a huge shock. Not even an hour after Nuno Espirito Santo had conducted his final press conference of the season — during which he breezily chatted about Sunday’s game with Manchester United and how the players will be spending their summer in preparation for 2021/ 22 — Wolves announced his departure.

In between he had called a meeting with the players at 1pm to deliver the news he was leaving. He was emotional, they were shocked — but not entirely. Behind the scenes this parting of ways has been brewing for several months.

It has been in Wolves’ thought process for some time that a new era might be necessary to refresh and reboot a team who have looked unrecognisable for the majority of the season, diminished by injuries and hampered by fatigue.

Nuno signed a new contract last September and was enthused by trying to instigate a new cycle, moving away from the well-honed counter-attacking style grounded on a solid 3-4-3 foundation based on rigid defensive organisation.

The players were tired going into the new campaign — mental fatigue was said to be at an “incredible” level after a 59-game campaign and a mere 30-day break between seasons for the division’s smallest squad — but Wolves actually started pretty well. They were sixth in November after beating Arsenal 2-1 at the Emirates, four points off the lead.

However that was also the night Raul Jimenez fractured his skull. Without their talisman and with Nuno having ripped up his textbook by introducing a new 4-2-3-1 system, which deeply unlike him they had barely worked on in training, they won one of their next 11 games, the nadir being a 3-2 home defeat to bitter rivals West Bromwich Albion in which Wolves looked rudderless.

Nuno is an almost permanent fixture on the edge of his technical area, prowling the touchline, but after withdrawing his captain Conor Coady and vice-captain Ruben Neves during a shambolic defensive performance, he sat motionless in the dugout watching his team’s identity erode before his very eyes. Something wasn’t right.

He was dealing with the personal trauma of being unable to see his family back home in Portugal and lacked his usual spark and energy. He had been the bombastic driving force behind Wolves’ ascent from mid-table in the Championship to seventh in the Premier League and a Europa League quarter-final, but this season was different, insiders felt.

His all-encompassing energy and drive just didn’t seem to be there and that was reflected in performances. It was considered by many at the club to be a strange move, completely at odds with his principles, that Nuno changed formation halfway through a season, especially when he persisted with it in the absence of Jimenez.

The Athletic understands that Wolves gave serious consideration to sacking Nuno after the West Brom defeat. Ultimately they judged he would be able to steady to ship and avoid a relegation battle.

Nuno yesterday announced he will leave Wolves after four years (Photo: JAN KRUGER/ POOL/ AFP via Getty Images)
After that defeat Nuno went back to basics. For the next league game, at Chelsea, 3-4-3 was back and Wolves did nothing but defend all night long, spare a counter attack or two. That theme continued for the next few weeks as Nuno oversaw a string of hard-fought, hard-to-watch but necessary results to keep Wolves up, which they achieved with six games to spare. Given all the circumstances at play, with key players absent and a small squad at his disposal, it was still a notable achievement. Without the squad’s “unique” bond, with its lack of selfishness and a willingness to solve problems without conflict, Nuno said, things could have been worse.

But the rot had set in. Fans began to seriously question him for the first time and the club took note. For all the good work Nuno had done, they felt given the money spent and the talent at his disposal performances should have been better.

A source close to the club says: “There has been a few problems there since October. Players were questioning things about Nuno’s approach. He didn’t lose the dressing room, but they were wondering whether he was as good of a manager as people were making out. There’s a real lack of structure and leadership there, too. Kevin Thelwell (the former sporting director) was very good at bringing departments together, he was very good at managing processes, but things haven’t run as smoothly since.

“It goes as far down as bringing together the medical team and the players, basic things that used to be very clear in the past. ”

Fosun began to look elsewhere and it seems Nuno did too. Jorge Mendes, Nuno’s agent and close friend (and of course a close friend to Wolves), began talking to other clubs to explore the possibility of where could be an option for Nuno’s next move, should he leave Wolves this summer.

Chairman Jeff Shi spoke to Nuno at the beginning of this week before Wolves’ trip to Everton and a parting of ways was agreed, believed to have been instigated by Wolves. While the timing of the announcement, before Sunday’s final game, wasn’t ideal, too many people were beginning to share the news and it was felt it couldn’t be kept secret any longer. As far as statements about a departing manager go, the one Wolves released on Friday lunchtime was about as positive from both sides as it gets and that reflects the amicable nature of Nuno’s exit.

For Wolves, acting now rather than dithering and perhaps seeing things take a turn for the worse next season was at the forefront of their thinking. But Nuno is also believed to have come to the conclusion that it was the right time to leave. He had anticipated that a Champions League level club may have approached him by now, preferably in England, but in the absence of that there was a risk he could damage his reputation should this summer’s rebuilding job (with a small budget in terms of net spend being offered to him) not go to plan.

“It’s just the end of a cycle, ” a source close to today’s developments said. “It has been four successful years but he decided that the right time has come to go out and close this beautiful journey. That’s all there is to it. ”

They added: “The decision to leave Wolves was not due to the interest of others clubs. He will now consider the future, but there are no clubs behind this decision. ”

The Athletic understands that Nuno is not in the running to become the next Tottenham Hotspur manager.

The below graphic charts a stark decline in Wolves’ offensive and defensive output. Yes it has been a beautiful journey, but the current season has been a real struggle.

A source close to the dressing room says: “It was a bit of a surprise, the timing of it, finding out today, but (overall) it wasn’t a massive surprise. A few of the players had been suggesting it was on the cards for a few weeks and he was considering whether he would or wouldn’t go.

“It’s going to be a weird couple of days and Sunday it going to be quite an emotional day for him. You’ll see that at the end of the game – emotions will overflow. ”

Recruitment had also been an issue. Nuno had the final say on new signings and tended to side with Mendes options rather than those put forward by the in-house recruitment team, often against their advice. For example, Spanish international Dani Olmo was available in January 2020 but Nuno sided with Mendes client Daniel Podence from Olympiakos instead, with Olmo going to RB Leipzig. When sourcing Matt Doherty’s replacement last summer, Nelson Semedo was very much Nuno’s number one choice. In fact he was the player Nuno craved more than anyone during that transfer window. At this moment in time, with Semedo having struggled to adapt to the intensity of the Premier League, it’s not been a successful move.

While Nuno has been incredibly popular with his playing staff, his departure won’t be a devastating blow to some at the club who have grown weary of his moody and occasionally terse demeanour. He could be snappy and abrupt. He’s very much been a head coach fully focused on the first-team but, other than getting involved in the final stage of transfers, hasn’t managed other aspects of the club. He didn’t attend a single under-23 match during his four-year tenure, for example.

His overall record, though, was nothing short of remarkable. To contrast the carnage of 2016-17, when Wolves flirted with relegation from the Championship as Walter Zenga, Paul Lambert and the best part of 17 players came and went, with 2017-18 when Nuno assembled a Premier League-ready team, playing football that had rarely, if ever, been witnessed at that level before, shows the stunning job he did. To then register consecutive seventh-placed finishes in the Premier League, beating every top six club bar Liverpool along the way, was simply dreamland for Wolves supporters, many of whom will tell you he’s been their best manager since Stan Cullis.

He leaves with his demigod status intact for many, with his face and name still plastered graffiti-style around the city’s streets, having forged a legacy on and off the field for a football club and a city that doubted it would ever hit those heights again. In January he gave £250,000 of his own money to help combat food poverty in Wolverhampton. His legacy will stand the test of time.

Wolves will also miss his backroom team, whom it’s believed wanted to stay at the club. Fitness specialist Antonio Dias has introduced world-leading rehabilitation and injury-prevention techniques to make Wolves the envy of the Premier League in terms of their injury record, while “mind coach” Julio Figueroa was a key ally of the players for his approaches to psychology and mental wellbeing.

So what next? It’s believed that Nuno has no other job lined up at this stage and was happy to go into the summer without one, allowing him time to return home and finally spend time with his family. Wolves plan to move quickly to hire his replacement and the chances are he’ll be Portuguese. They admire Porto boss Sergio Conceicao but he’s out of their reach. Paulo Fonseca, about to leave Roma to be replaced by Jose Mourinho, could well be an option, while ex-Benfica manager Bruno Lage has been strongly linked for some time.

“Moving forward, I don’t know what the club are going to do, ” a source close to the dressing room says. “I don’t think they’ll hang about in terms of the application process.

“I think Jorge will already have a list made up for them. They’ll just go similar, another Portuguese manager will come in, work with the squad we’ve got and see what he can do. Otherwise there could be complete upheaval in terms of staff, players, philosophies and what have you. ”

Wolves are now at a crossroads. Do they hire an attack-minded, possession-based head coach to manage a squad designed to do something different? How attractive is the job if players need to be sold this summer to generate funds? Is Mendes still fully on board with the project? Or do Wolves, with technical director Scott Sellars and the recently-hired “strategic player marketing manager” Matt Jackson now two key figures behind the scenes, move away from the Mendes carousel?

There has certainly been a change in tack from the ownership in terms of growing the club and the brand being a huge priority, while at the same time spending on the team (in terms of net spend) and the stadium has been rowed back, with a Molineux redevelopment on the back burner for now.

Wolves have struggled this season, with some players questioning Nuno’s approach

A source close to the club adds: “There’s a pragmatism that breaking into the top six on a regular basis is going to be incredibly difficult and requires huge investment. That ambition is still there, but it’s more of a long-term view now and the focus has switched to growing the club as much as the team, to set the foundations to create that long-term success. Leicester are where Wolves want to be but their owners have been there 11 years, they’ve won the league and had Champions League football which took them to another level. It won’t be easy.

“There’s a feeling that this has still been a good season given all the problems they’ve suffered, but Nuno leaving does feel like the natural end of a cycle, as it might for a few of the players who’ve been there with him for four years.

“This can be a real opportunity for the club to have a head coach who’s going to play how the fans want and how the owners want. There’ll be lots of movement this summer and yes there’s not a massive budget but you’ll find that’s the case for most Premier League clubs. But any new manager coming in will want to spend. ”

It’s been an unforgettable four years. Nuno, with his close relationship to Mendes and his alignment with Fosun on blooding youth and planning meticulously for long-term growth, was a perfect fit.

Without each other can Wolves — and Nuno — hit those same heights again?

15 Jun 2021 12:30:13
Heard Neto and Nuno had a falling out before Nuno's departure, if true then unlikely Neto will join Everton if Nuno gets the job.
This is only hearsay btw.

15 Jun 2021 13:12:08
With a fractured patella months from being mended, Neto won't be going anywhere next season.

15 Jun 2021 13:29:26
Doesn't stop the press and one or two believing the press though OW mate.

15 Jun 2021 14:32:49
Wasn't there a rumour that Nuno had a falling out with Neves and Boly whilst at Porto and it didn't stop them from following him to Molineux.

16 Jun 2021 10:21:36
Did Nuno fall out with Bennett, Douglas, Cav, Costa, Jota, Doc, Afobe, Catrone, Jeff, the project and the Club? Seems like such a nice bloke as well.

16 Jun 2021 11:03:52
There's no smoke without fire. Nuno had issues with some Wolves players, but there again this happens in every team. It's easy to think that a warm and generous personality such as Nuno will get on with everyone but that's unrealistic in football. He's not a saint. If he had issues with an usually large number of players, that might be something else.

16 Jun 2021 17:16:26
They was not purchased by nuno . Mr 10% bought those players in and will continue to do so unless Jeff grows a pair very quickly .!

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