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12 Jun 2021 13:45:48
Rumour on news sites is that Saiss is to be sold. Not saying it's more than a rumour.
I personally would love to see him go. I think he gets pulled out of position too easily and gives away far too many freekicks.
This would mean we need another player though. And would mean another "transition" season.
1.) 12 Jun 2021 15:29:48
They are all being sold. We are going down.
2.) 12 Jun 2021 15:38:17
It’s looking grim.
3.) 12 Jun 2021 17:35:05
So right one player might be leaving and we relegated 2 players leave we league one right. 3 players leave Northern Premier here we come. Sack board, sack manager.
4.) 12 Jun 2021 19:26:40
Demon give it a rest mate yeah we all know you're not a Wolves fan.
5.) 12 Jun 2021 19:55:27
Bring back Morgan and Moxey. We're doomed.
6.) 12 Jun 2021 21:45:41
New manager, players go. Stop panicking.
7.) 12 Jun 2021 22:22:29
HOLD UP A MINUTE ask yourself this when have fosun ever let us down? The days of Morgan I would agree with you but we all new players would be sold but until fosun let us down then you can get on there back but until that day arises this negativaty does not make sense if players go they will not be sold cheap and I'm sure BRUNO will have been aware who wants to leave then I say thanks for your service but I don't want players who don't want to play for us so get best price and lower wage bill nothing more to it than that I would think you all would want players that want to be here nothing wrong with anyone leaving if they don't see a future with us good luck to them.
8.) 13 Jun 2021 07:51:04
Everyone has their opinion but jeez we're going down, its looking grim is way too far negative.
Rumours say Traore and neves to be sold if this is true the money for these 2 players will be re invested into other players.
Will be sorry to see neves and Traore go but it's not going to ruin us if they are sold.
I reckon £70/ £80 million for them which can get us some quality players.
Have faith in fosun because the doubters will be proved wrong (again) .
9.) 13 Jun 2021 08:33:32
Could we please have some declaration from Fosun on their intentions for the future. Are we to have an entirely new team for next season? Going to need 10-15 players if the rumours of exists are to be believed. What about quality? Selling Portugal’s number 1 keeper and replacing him with an uncapped Portuguese keeper - will that be the trend? What are they thinking? I’d like to know ahead of judging them.
10.) 13 Jun 2021 09:32:55
It's called change, the new manager will want to stamp his own style. This means players will go and new ones will come in, maybe youngsters. This might represent a pause while things settle down but to assume the worst is premature to say the least.
11.) 13 Jun 2021 09:58:54
My word what a needy bunch some fans are! I don't understand what people are expecting Fosun to actually say?! Their position has rarely changed so what would they say exactly 'Hi everyone, you know the plan we discussed this time last year, guess what it's still the plan! We just felt we needed to touch base cause some of our fans seem needier than a teenager in love?! ' 🤣
People talking about rumours but I notice they aren't stressing about the players we've been tied with signing (Rafa Leao, Guedes etc) cause they have the sense to know those are just rumours. So then it's only those that have been said to be leaving that are assumed to be true?! Its like half the posters on here in close season just want to hunt for the negatives, SO tedious! 🙄.
12.) 13 Jun 2021 10:19:37
Fosun have always made it clear they have a long term interest in Wolves and that hasn't changed. They have realised however there are significant challenges to compete at an elite level and FFP restricts where they can invest. In terms of the playing squad the approach is the same as it was. Buy players that have the potential to be developed and sold on for profit, which will increase the asset value of the club and in the long term allow for more resources to be invested into the playing squad as a whole. This is coupled with their efforts to increase Wolves as a brand and build the fan base abroad for merchandising purposes.
To expect Wolves to regularly challenge the top 6 after 3-4 seasons in the premier league is unrealistic when there are clubs with established revenue streams, established squads and more financial muscle.
As it stands Wolves are a trading club. Players will come and players will go. Who they are is just media speculation until the club announces any done deals. We can't judge anything on transfer activity until we see the team sheet for the first game of the new season.
13.) 13 Jun 2021 10:37:49
All I agree trying to be balanced is v hard on a subject that is both full of opinions and views (and v few hard cold facts) and which is so passionately thought of.
Fosun are defintely not stupid and will not intentionally do anything that would damage their investment and further decline/ relegation will hugely damage it!
So we can be certain that everything will done in an effort to maximise success within the parameters allowed: FFP and (if they exist? ) any financial restrictions placed on Wolves by Fosun/ Chinese authorities.
Clearly Nuno going was part of this as Shi or Fosun or both thought he was no longer taking the club forwards.
However humans are involved and mistakes will/ may be made so no guarantees can be given.
Personally I think letting Nuno go was a major one but he is gone and so let's look to see what the new man can do before venting too much spleen over matters.
Hopefully he, Lage, will be backed (within parameters) to rebuild if and where required.
But Giant Fosun/ Shi DID clearly let us down last summer with a truly awful transfer window that left us completely unprepared for what happened in the season ie injuries. So whilst I don't for one minute think they intended it to be debacle ( deliberately destroying 3 years of success in one shocking step) nor do I think they have/ will deliberately let us down again this summer they are both human and let's be honest v new to running football clubs.
ps
If the transfers were all Nuno's fault - seems highly unlikely -then I guess to some extent they are forgiven as he was suppossed to know what he was doing but do you really think he wanted the players he was given and then promptly refused to play?
14.) 13 Jun 2021 11:14:19
Alex - v good post!
Clearly Nuno had got the club massively ahead of schedule and was performing miracles on the wage bill and transfer budget - competing as you say with clubs we had no "right" to compete with.
Sadly this ended in tears as injuries and mistakes in the market meant the miracle to some extent popped and the club (or perhaps it was Nuno) didn't handle it well.
Consequently we begin again with a new manager.
Fingers crossed.
15.) 13 Jun 2021 11:21:53
Fosun have form for stripping the club of all its players. Remember when Nuno arrived and they got rid of 18 players. Then they only allowed Nuno to sign 12 players so in effect our squad was robbed of 6 players.
Just to reiterate, the players Fosun allowed to go during Nunos 1st season are: Stearman, Saville, Gladon, Iorfa, Ebanks Landell, Bodvarrson, Williamson, Lee Evans, Mason, Edwards, Lonegran, Dicko, Jordan Graham, Prince Oniangue, Deslandes, Price, Zero and Marshall.
The inferior players Fosun signed are: Miranda, Douglas, Bennett, Neves, Boly, Ruddy, Norris, Vinagre, Jota, Mir, N'Diaye and Afobe.
It clear to see that they do back the manager.
16.) 13 Jun 2021 11:38:24
Thanks TFIOG - the unfortunate thing with Wolves at the moment is if a transfer doesn't work out there are less resources to absorb the impact that has, whereas at a club like City or Utd they have more depth and can afford to move a failed transfer on at a cut price with much less consequence. Hopefully one day Wolves can reach that level.
Good post Jas - it made me smile a bit. I remember the outrage from some fans when Dicko was sold. It didn't work out too badly for us in the end.
17.) 13 Jun 2021 12:39:09
Alex, I get your thoughts regarding the likes of City, Utd, Chelsea etc. They need bigger squads because of the extra competitions they play in year in year out. We managed to get into a Euro comp and found that in the latter stages in both Europe and at home, we looked a bit lethargic. If we were to qualify for Europe soon, the squad will not be as small as we will have learnt that the squad cannot cope.
18.) 13 Jun 2021 13:08:09
Jas- yes it is clear that they spent good money in all of the years that Nuno was manager and that in the year you discuss above the 12 bought showed a pretty good hit rate and certainly a major upgrade vis vis the 18 exited.
Think we did ok the next year as well didn't we?
Interesting to see that only 2 of the 12 are still in the squad (plus vinagre and ruddy? ) . It obviously gets harder to find players who can improve you as you move up the league ie Afobe was great in the Champ for us but didn't cut it to the same degree in the prem (albeit for Bournemouth) .
I hope you are correct on your assertion that the squad will be bigger as last year we pretty much ran out of players. Even amongst the inadequate number of players we currently have many come with caveats: old, injured, not good enough, (yet? ), up for sale etc. Consequently the numbers we need to add if we are to increase the size and quality of the squad are quite hard to get your head round.
Given the limitations of FFP and Fousun's budgets this will require an even better year than the one you identified above.
fingers crossed.
19.) 14 Jun 2021 09:17:41
Jas, You're absolutely right. I got the feeling when we were in Europe the expectation from the board was we may not get to the group stages or beyond it and so the investment wasn't made, in case we had a bloated squad of players unhappy at not getting enough game time and costing additional wages. There was a cautious and reserved approach to it.
If the expectation level from the club is higher next time we qualify for Europe (yes I'm optimistic it will happen again one day), then I think we would recruit additional players within budget to compete on more fronts.
20.) 14 Jun 2021 13:38:30
Alex - Whilst what you say is very calmly and sensibly stated and I obviously don’t want to put words into your mouth or misinterpret what you said but it is quite a sad read and I thought I was the bear.
It seems as if you are saying the club got vertigo. We had overperformed by so much they couldn’t quite get their heads round it and weren’t willing to believe it was possible that we could continue or even go further. This meant – and to be fair to you the club did announce as much – they were taking a breath so to speak and were happy with a slight step back.
Sadly, saying that is easier than doing it and they made an awful mess of it.
Consequently, we haven’t taken a slight step back but a major one. The decisions made last summer, when, {although we had a modest net spend due to the cash (and profits) generated from previous purchases – in line with the strategy you described}, we actually spent a lot of money, continue to impact – and will do for several years. Not only did we make serious errors in the transfer market but we compounded them by handing out ridiculous contracts that will hamstring us for the foreseeable future.
This debacle has now cost us Nuno as well.
Many posters signed “In Nuno we trust†what a shame Shi didn’t!
21.) 14 Jun 2021 16:02:13
TFIOG, I think it was a case of Europe was seen as a bonus at the time and a chance to blood a few younger players to either make the first team or sell on. Whether the strategy worked or not is debateable, but it did give Neto more minutes to develop, and I think the same would have happened with Shabani and Jordao if not for their horrible injuries.
For me it's too hard to say how majorly the club may or may not have gone backwards at the moment. Yes we dropped 6 league places. Yes some players values may be lower, although with current worldwide events that to a degree is out of the club's control. Some of the players retained may blossom under the new coach, with new team mates, and with an extra year of PL football under their belt.
The problem with an upward trajectory is there is always a ceiling and the chance for regression before progressing again.
The main money spent if I'm correct was Semedo and Silva. Personally the jury is still out on Semedo as I can see a player there, but at times not for the price we paid. I do genuinely believe we will get our money's worth on Silva in time. The other transfers were loan to buys and if we don't want them we don't sign them. It gives the option of 3 more loan to buys for the coming season.
There's going to be a reshuffling of the pack and it could go a number of ways depending on the ability of the new coach and the players pulling on the shirt at the start of the new season.
22.) 14 Jun 2021 17:06:06
Alex - another v good and calm thoughtful post!
Appreciate.
I think we disagree on just 2 things: firstly I think we were still on an upward trajectory and with v little tweaking, [I detailed what I thought needed doing last summer, last summer and have reiterated regulalrly since and still stand by it} and probably less money being spent we could easily have been higher this year or given the horrific injury crisis at least as high. I really felt the squad and v importantly the system was still good enough to challenge.
Secondly whilst I think Semedo will be ok although over priced and overpaid I am far less certain of Silva who I believe was massively unconditionally overpriced and is ludicrously over paid.
Yes RAN, Vitor and Jose were loans and can, (and in some cases will), go back. The only other signings were Marcal - the best signing if he was only fit but he isn't and the youngster Hoever bought as cover for Semedo probably for too much money but may be he was wrapped into the Jota deal?
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03 Jun 2021 13:28:08
According to Portuguese press Lage is definitely going to be Wolves next manager.
Correio da Manhã has stated that he "really is going to be" wolves next manager now that red tape issues have been sorted.
A Bola say that work permit issues have been a problem and that Page is using his time at Braga, Wednesday and Swansea as argument.
O Jogo are reporting the same claiming it to be good for Benfica as technically they are still paying him a wage and signing a new contract with Wolves would end that. They also go on to say Wolves will announce Lage's signing "very soon".
This is all obviously without any citation of sources. I have cited the publications making these claims. Journalists obviously bribe and pay workers that may overhear or glimpse things. But I would say all these claims to be building up and the language is becoming more confident.
1.) 03 Jun 2021 15:28:13
Next season starting line up
Ruddy
Semedo. Boly coady. Noutuori
Neto. Neves dendonker. Traore
Podence. Jimenez
Res. Silva
Vinicius
Hoever
Kilman
Johnny
Vitinhia
Sondergard.
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04 Jul 2022 12:57:18
Okay how was MGW saying all Themis when he was in Greece? Ahahaha. With his missus. This is funny cause I actually know his sister and mum being from Stafford. Honestly. He hasn't said anything about going and papers are all making it up. Only things known are we want to keep him and are offering a new contract as we speak. I am not claiming to have been told this by someone itk just can use Instagram and see MGW is on holiday.
03 Jul 2022 20:49:16
That is true. The intake of youth at bigger clubs is well . Bigger. It's just the way it is. You back every horse in the race you will win!
Also there is a financial element. As long as they go for more than it cost to sign and develop then it's job done. Most of the youth at City, United, Arsenal etc end up outside the prem.
I think the problem is we are in a sticky situation. We need better player to get European football but we need European football to attract those better players. Also we need to be realistic. We aren't as established in the prem era as most of the teams below us. Everton, West Ham, etc. They are all bigger names over the last 3 decades. We have had quite the rise and we are back. But it's going to take time and consistently being ripped as the ones there to break up the top 6 party. Maybe in a few seasons and another European qualification we can attract these players.
I fully believe if we had gotten Europe this season we'd have no problems with getting the players we want and tying down Neves. I think we'd have gotten in someone like Nunez which would be a sign of intent to Neves to say "look, Ruben, we really do want Champions League one day. One day soon!" . But that's all ifs and buts.
I want to be optimistic. I have fears but I want to believe we will sign at least 3 really good players and that one of them will be a player that is the heights of when we got Neves. As in a player we have no right signing. I mean I can dream that we somehow get Mbappe can't I?
03 Jul 2022 21:38:17
Tbh it always seems our signings come out of nowhere. And a lot of youth.
That's the problem. Nobody knows and all we know is that it's going to be another transfer window of clicking and waiting. And unfortunately being linked to every Mendez client or world class flop going.
I mean we do need a defender. We needed another one before Siass left. Now we really need one. We needed a midfielder before this situation with Mout and now we really need another!
But got to keep the faith. And hope that Lage has the financial backing. And hope beyond hope that we can sell the dream to Nunez and others if we are in talks.
Wish I could hibernate until Sept and get it over with. Ahhh remember when we got Neves? Wasn't that an awesome window.
02 Jul 2022 21:20:19
Good singing for Grasshoppers is that.
01 Jul 2022 02:58:20
I do love that. "my contact" as if people still claim to know on here.
Look the only people that know anything and will spill are doormen, drivers and cleaning crew. They might say they saw someone or didn't but nobody is telling you our current strategy. Get a life.
I love how your contact told you Traore is coming back. Which we all know. And then say he will either be sold, loaned or stay . yes. They are the only options. Ahahaha.
That's cheered me right up! Would laugh so hard if in the morning it's announced Ronan is sold along with some other fringe players and that we've signed two players nobody has mentioned. And to be honest over the last few years that has happened a fair bit!
I mean I am still waiting for these signings that were happening this week.
I'm pretty sure you did this before and then we announced 3 signings literally a week later . Pretty sure it was 2 years ago when we signed Silva and Semedo.
I do love it when someone says our business is done and we only just enter July. I'm sure this is why wolves make it so messy. Just so itk losers end up with proverbial egg on their gammon.
Anyways. Would love to get Nunez though can see why he might want higher level of football given the end of our season. If we had gotten Europe we'd probably have announced him already.
Here is hoping. But people, don't listen to these sad men and women claiming to have a hotline to Jeff and Uncle Jorge. They don't. They know the same as the rest of us do: by looking religiously on News Now.
It's okay to post a rumour but these aren't rumours they are just non specific vague premonitions ala mystic bloody meg. We can all do that.
My mate who works there knows that the talks have stalled with Moutinho. Now we know his contract ran out and they haven't announced a new one. Do I know anything or is it called deductive reasoning? Honestly.
Anyways, let's hope that if we don't bring anyone in we do well enough to convince Neves he can achieve midweek jaunts to Europe with us. And also attract better players. Or at least stop being linked with flops like Icardi. Hahaha. Given what Neves said about the dressing room I am glad that rumour is nothing more than that. A silly rumour.
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18 Jul 2022 22:17:55
I think he just wants to see if Bruno is true to his word. He will sign when he is shown faith.
He wants to play for us. Some of the more louder fans may hate him but tbf they hated Semedo and others until they bedded in and started to perform.
I think he is a real talent. And all these stories are complete balderdash. Wolves clearly want to keep him and he clearly isn't bothered by them using valuation to put off Everton. I can't see him wanting to go to Forrest or Palace. Not when Wolves have high ambitions judging from Collins comments . let's not forget in the past players have been versed in saying "one game at a time," "always improving" and "play our own game" and played down any real ego or hubris. This time he flat out says "[the team] all want European football" . So this seems like a switch. So why would Morgan go to anyone else bar one of the established big teams?
Right now we are on a path that if we continue to force our way down will see us reach those heights. I can't see us becoming City or LFC any time soon but why not Spurs? We are better than them in all but scoring and team depth, oh and a fancy stadium that means they can spend more. For me though with Raul scoring again we are much better with our best XI. Just not when you look at the whole squad.
I would love Morgan to stay. If he can provide half the amount of goals he did in the championship that would make him one of our best attackers. Hell, if he scores and assists the same he will be our BEST player! And probably see that £30m valuation shoot right up!
27 Jun 2022 17:33:13
Yes mendez handles every client personally. All nearly 1000 of them.
You realise he only tends to the highest profile ones right and only at certain stages and that he has a whole company?
19 Jun 2021 18:14:19
We aren't big though. I'm not in my lifetime. 7th is the highest we've finished. I am sure he meant big clubs as in the major names across Europe.
That is the point . we want to be big again. Lol.
13 Jun 2021 13:45:52
Neto rumoured to be going as well.
And Jeff has taken opportunity to take away more power from "coach" so basically Bruce Lee's speccy little cousin can make the club more at Mendez's control.
I am trying to positive but the signs are all there. I can't be a happy clappy like you morons. I just can't. A manager that lost how many games in his last 10? Losing our best players and looking at the likes of Ramsdale. Sorry Jeff already didn't the dirty disclaimer when he mentioned fans not being happy with names we haven't heard of. Guy needs to shut up and eff off back to the land of the frying dog.
I don't trust Fosun. I try to but too many red flags are being waved.
I'm sorry but agree with Fosun out. Especially cause I think we will be left with Dendonker and Cutrone and Neto and co will have all left.
I hope I am wrong. But so far I've been right about so much, including the fact that Nuno was sacked and didn't go "because he missed home" . guy is going to sign for everton and knows Uncle Jeff is a nonce stain that will sell our best players. He will demand Neto, maybe Raul and I can see him hijacking Vitinha and maybe coming in for Coady or semedo.
Mark my words though, Neves, Traore, Patricio, Neto and Moutinho will all be leaving. They are our 5 best players over last 3 seasons. Any dumb stain want to honestly try and claim that is a good thing? Sell for cheap when no replacement is available.
10 Jun 2021 17:55:34
Nope. Literally every source and people inside the club have said he was pretty much sacked. Even Jeff alluded to as much. People inside the club know he was told this in Feb and that is when they first looked at Lage. Why do you think this all happened so quickly? Nothing to do with money, they were just not happy with how Nuno handled this season and had lost confidence. They also saw the fans comments about the defensive and stagnant football. Literally the reason they've gone for a manager shown to be attacking.
Palace were shocked by the additional demands coming so late in the day and also had been insulted once or twice by Nuno's apparent lack of speed in communicating and seemed to be in no rush whereas Palace want it solved ASAP. This is what I've read from Palace reporters that have probably paid cleaners and others inside for info and what they have seen or overheard at the club. A lot better than assuming based on zero evidence.