30 Aug 2023 14:42:32
Nunes fee agreed around 55mil and we are getting tommy doyle for 5mil with a 50% sell on clause. Final details being sorted and will be announced this evening or early tomorrow morning.

1.) 30 Aug 2023
30 Aug 2023 15:41:22
Heard Mcatee is coming on season long loan too.

2.) 30 Aug 2023
30 Aug 2023 16:07:53
€55mil.£47.3mil.doyle on loan with view to £4mil deal.cheaper version of scott it seems.

3.) 30 Aug 2023
30 Aug 2023 16:11:37
forwards we need goals and don't tell me ones against blackpool

4.) 30 Aug 2023
30 Aug 2023 16:44:18
I think it's fair to say that Man City are the winners here.

£47m for Nunes.
We pay £4.3m for Doyle at the end of the loan but should he go on to become a sought after player valued at say, £50m, we pay Man City 50% so £22.5m.

5.) 30 Aug 2023
30 Aug 2023 17:04:46
The FA and premier league should crack down on these sort of shenanigans it just gives the top table teams another advantageous lower teams they knew they would get him under value as soon as he went on strike

6.) 30 Aug 2023
30 Aug 2023 17:05:55
Man City are expected to pay €55m (£47.3m) up front for Matheus Nunes; City youngster Tommy Doyle will go to Wolves on an initial loan with a £4.3m (€5m) option and a significant sell-on clause; Chelsea have inquired over signing Cole Palmer from City

Sky sports Wednesday 30 August 2023 16:00

7.) 30 Aug 2023
30 Aug 2023 17:12:10
Man City: We will offer you £47m for Nunes.

Wolves: No, we want minimum £60m

MC: How about £52m

W: No, we want £60 or no deal

MC: How about £47m for Nunes and you buy Doyle for £4.3m so in total we offer you less than the original offer?

W: Oh, OK but just to sweeten the deal, how about we give you 50% of any profit we make on Doyle in the future. We really think he'll go up in value and nothing would give us more pleasure than to give you even more money, thereby lowering the Nunes deal even more.

MC: No problems.

W: One last thing, please call me Isaac Hayes

MC: Why

W: because we've been Shafted.

8.) 30 Aug 2023
30 Aug 2023 18:15:31
Has anyone realised that the price for Nunes has probably been artificially understated by reason of a 'hidden discount' for Doyle. No way would Man City sell Doyle to anyone for £5mil in a separate deal. They didn't want to sell at all. (Alex Scott asking price was all of £25mil for god's sake!). We are probably saving ourselves a good part of Nunes's sell-on clause due to be paid to his previous club, as we are really getting more than people think for Nunes.

9.) 30 Aug 2023
30 Aug 2023 18:15:35
Bueno signing from city group for 8m instead of 25 m must be part of nunes deal

10.) 30 Aug 2023
30 Aug 2023 18:29:08
What about Bueno, Jas? From what I've read on all the related negotiations we seem to have come out of this rather well which is a very welcome change from the norm.

11.) 30 Aug 2023
30 Aug 2023 19:11:46
Agree Deep with Scott going for 25m and only championship experience. Doyle maybe a 10m+ player.

12.) 30 Aug 2023
30 Aug 2023 19:15:26
Those of us who are able to think have Deep. Read the various posts on here and you'll get the full spectrum.

13.) 30 Aug 2023
30 Aug 2023 20:17:18
I'm fairness Jas I think the Doyle deal is the sweetener. I know they are (technically) separate deals but there's no way they are selling Doyle to any other club for just £4.3m after the seasons he's just had in the Champ! I suspect the way the deal is structured will be both clubs being clever with their FFP. As others have pointed out Nunes had a sell on fee so using (what looks like a VERY good) youngster that they didn't need was just a way for both clubs to get more from the deal. Only thing that worries me is what is to stop City telling him 'they've got a fee agreed but we'd sooner have you back' and as he's a City fan I doubt it would take much?! But hey hopefully he will love the delights of the Mol too much for such worries! Onwards and upwards, now let's use some of that money and go get Iheanacho! I know he's not prolific but I think he'd bring a lot of attributes we currently lack in the forward line! Fingers crossed eh ??

14.) 30 Aug 2023
30 Aug 2023 20:22:35
CIES value Santiago Bueno at €5m whereas another site at €10m.

15.) 30 Aug 2023
30 Aug 2023 20:53:45
John Percy isn't usually far wrong and he's reporting the deal is an increased 2nd offer so is more than 50m, it's normally reported as undisclosed anyway. Bueno's value is incidental as his contractual release fee is 25m - all vastly over valued anyway in my opinion

16.) 31 Aug 2023
30 Aug 2023 23:04:34
Release clauses hardly ever reflect real value Nuno.

17.) 31 Aug 2023
30 Aug 2023 23:53:36
If we are getting two young players that we want/need at prices substantially below "market" as part of the deal to firstly minimise the cash City have to pay out but secondly to help us minimise the profit share payment we have to make to Nunes' old club then it is a sensible way to structure it.
Obviously from an FFP perspective we don't benefit entirely from the juice in the deal until we sell the 2 lads and monetise the "price reduction" we received.
But as it 1) reduces our amort by circa £8m - the amort on Nunes contract - less what ever amort we have to make on the contracts of the young lads. If they are on loan for a year before we buy then the amort for them will be zero. 2) reduces our wage bill by the difference between Nunes wage and the wages paid to the 2 young players and 3) makes us circa £15m FFP profit from the sale {calculated as 47 less 32 ( 32 being the circa 40m purchase price of Nunes less one fifth amort for the 1 year of his 5 year contract he served ie 8.)} it is a major contributor, (perhaps more than half) to solving next years FFP problem

18.) 31 Aug 2023
31 Aug 2023 09:20:03
Presumably there is no such thong as a 'football transfer ombudsman' to sanction fair value.
If Doyle were to become a worldie and have a market value of, say, £100m, presumably there would be nothing stopping us selling him on in the future for £4.3m with two or three 'unlinked' players coming in the opposite direction?
Are we seeing the start of a new trading pattern between clubs?

{Ed002's Note - I don't understand your second sentence. Values are put on all players where they are part of an exchange for the purposes of compensation to the club or clubs who trained him.}