04 Jan 2025 17:07:27
On another note, it is always nice to see Lop fail again with the Hammers despite good financial backing. Maybe he wasn't a pen manager after all
1.) 04 Jan 2025
04 Jan 2025 18:18:19
Just reading that some fans are calling for Lopetegui to go and saying that Kilman is the worst player they've ever had.
2.) 04 Jan 2025
04 Jan 2025 20:42:14
Would you take him, Kilman, back?
At what price?
3.) 05 Jan 2025
05 Jan 2025 00:47:01
5-10m
4.) 05 Jan 2025
05 Jan 2025 08:35:39
Personally no way.
Ziyech in talks.
Chiesa on loan?
5.) 05 Jan 2025
05 Jan 2025 10:03:26
I would not take Kilman back. Dawson made him look better than he actually was and West Ham fans are beginning to see this too. I would however take Conor Coady back because he was a great organiser and captain. Not the best player but could motivate the others.
6.) 05 Jan 2025
05 Jan 2025 11:43:09
Coady is hardly good enough for Leicester, Wandering.We need players with the potential to take us forward and, hopefully, Agbadou will be one of those.I'm sure we've all seen some rank West Ham players so whoever those fans are will be typing with a certain orifice.
7.) 05 Jan 2025
05 Jan 2025 11:53:30
Hes still a better leader than Kilman though.
8.) 05 Jan 2025
05 Jan 2025 13:20:44
Not sure it's always as simple as just being good enough, there's the other aspects to it. Comfort, chemistry, interaction with team mates, position, style of play, etc.
Both Coady and Kilman did well for us but not so much for their current clubs. Coady, for example, appeared to lack his usual sparkle and enthusiasm when we played Leicester.
It's similar for Managers, Nuno was great for us, not at Spurs, but doing well again at Forest. The circumstances at the club can make or break. Pereira has recently done an interview with Sky Sports and when questioned about his moving around the world a lot he said pretty much just that. He feels comfortable here and in the Premier League and would like to stay, let's hope he get's sensible backing to implement his plans.
9.) 05 Jan 2025
05 Jan 2025 13:29:43
That's undisputed but if you're not good enough on the pitch anymore there's no real point in a return is there?
10.) 05 Jan 2025
05 Jan 2025 14:56:18
Could say the same about doc, I do wonder why we ever decided to spend the wage bill on him as I personally don’t rate him anymore
11.) 05 Jan 2025
05 Jan 2025 15:21:44
Interesting posts lads the reason Coady was sold was because the club wanted to move to a back 4 that was long written about at the time that was Bruno Lage's preference.
Kilman is a bit different in that I think he wanted to go towards home and felt like he had achieved and developed as far as he could in Wolverhampton. I actually have no qualms with that he was terrific for us and always served valiantly similar to Coady in professionalism.
The las summer I feel like GON and Hobbs wanted to impose their ideas on the football side again with a preference to a back 4 that had been trialled in certain games at the end of last season.
However this obsession with a back 4 in English football is baffling. As a club since returning to a back 3 since Fosun took over we have been promoted, got to a Europa league QF, Fa cup qf and semi final, stayed in the prem for 7 seasons. Each time we revert to a back 4 we drop down the league and risk relegation when Nuno trialled it in his last season with a strong squad apart from Raul and Boly being long term injured. Under Bruno who reverted from a back 3 to a back 4 which nearly relegated us and GON this season.
Don't get me wrong with the right cbs and full backs its possible but we also have great wing backs that work and help our attack we are in the top 10 scorers in the league even this season after some terrible results.
Also GON had his favourites this season Johnstone, Lemina and Bellagarde are three that especially come to mind.
And he had lost Andre, Sa, Doc and Hwang with his decisions over the last 3 months.
That's just looking in and at some of his decisions each week.
12.) 05 Jan 2025
05 Jan 2025 17:50:07
Just to ask Wandering where are you seeing WHU fans saying that? I only ask cause they'd be entirely wrong! When you look at WHU defensive stats Kilman is pretty much top three for most metrics used (having not missed a game yet for um unlike most in their defense). Also worth noting here that WHU are currently very high up (in fact top on most) when it comes to defensive aerial stats and that ain't a coincidence!
I suspect any frustration with Kilman is by association with Lope but the reality is that he's by far and away one of their best defenders!
I'd take him back Future, in a heart beat, not for the £40m paid mind, maybe half of that. As for Dawson making him look better as I've pointed out before Kilman played in EVERY single game Dawson did and our defensive stats were still V respectable. On the other hand we still have Dawson now and no Kilman and our defensive stats have hardly been worse.
13.) 05 Jan 2025
05 Jan 2025 21:53:46
For me I tend to agree with BB.
Last season Dawson was clearly the main man but with Toti and Kilman in the back 3 we were very strong for the first two thirds of the season.
Indeed when we fell apart in the final third of the season whilst it is true that one of the features was Dawson not playing, the reality is that it was not the handful of additional goals we conceded, (just under 2 per game in games 26-38 cf 1.6 prior) the principal reason for our collapse was due to having to play with a number of totally unready youngsters in the forward line meaning we only scored just over 0.8 per game in the final third of the season compared to roughly 1.6 per game prior.
However I did not think we could/should turn down £40m for Kilman as he is not in my opinion worth that fee - so today would not be willing to pay it to bring him back but perhaps as BB says circa £15m?
However as we did not replace him with another adult and it appears unsurprisingly that time and injuries have done for Dawson he would now be our best CB by a distance, cf Doherty, Bueno and Toti.
Of course it is hard to compare periods both as a result of the different team mates but also the systems.
Our debacle in the first half of this year has been to some extent due to playing 4 at the back, (ironically as WHU do). I do believe however that whatever system we had played we would not have been as bad with Kilman as we were without and at the moment - depending on who it is we are going to bring in he would still represent a major uplift over our current options.
But I think it is very harsh not to recognise the Kilman was a major part of
14.) 05 Jan 2025
05 Jan 2025 22:09:19
Bullysboy, it's on most West Ham forums. You're right in that the fans have linked it all to Lopetegui. But listening to them, they really want Davud Sullivan out.
15.) 05 Jan 2025
05 Jan 2025 22:28:54
By the very same token, Kilman at West Ham has seen their defence get worse.
16.) 06 Jan 2025
06 Jan 2025 09:28:06
To be fair Wandering their defence was pretty awful last year as well conceding 74. At half way this season they had conceded 35, (with another 4 v city at the weekend), so whilst he certainly hasn't improved their defence it hasn't got worse - hardly a ringing endorsement I know but as a side they have regressed sharply this year so hard to blame him for that.
17.) 06 Jan 2025
06 Jan 2025 10:16:08
And to think, Lopetegui has spent £120m to take West Ham from 9th to 14th.