16 May 2016 12:03:00
hi stuwolf have you got contacts within the club or are you talking about down the pub gossip?
any updates the realist?
where paul tamworth?
where is ian martin?
16 May 2016 13:04:10
Gee Wolf you are the Molineux Car Park attendant you must be in the know as no one else is
We are relying on you - The truth is out there.
16 May 2016 13:09:33
No mate, I 'm just a messenger.
One of my mates has a son who was a journalist who once worked for the Express and Lie, I'm assuming he is the source.
I just posted it to see if the realist or anyone else credible knew anything. I'm as desperate as the next fan.
16 May 2016 15:06:17
@stuwolf it's getting to the business end of the season so we will see who's full of it and if any of the rumours actually come true, I suspect not.
16 May 2016 15:09:09
everything down at Molineux is quiet. I saw environmental cleaners that's how exciting it is.
16 May 2016 16:05:06
hoping cleaning morgan office out for the new owner that includes moxey and jackett as well.
16 May 2016 17:03:59
While we are pondering and hoping for a very positive outcome, i read this open letter to the club from one Charles Ross (http://goo.gl/SG5Xoc). I've read this open letter and also read moxey's response to the Local Council after there were public objections and it throws up a couple of possibilities:
Moxey and the Board have disregarded every criticism from every corner, MPs, Local Authorities, petitions and the fans. All for possibly £1.5 million? It amounts to 1 to 2% of turnover, a very small amount in anyone's view. The criticism from every corner is voluminous to say the least, yet still they ignore it. So I say to myself, why?, as it is not an earth shattering sum?
I can think of 2 options right now, which are:
1. Moxey yet again is completely guilty of gross mismanagement, which you may say isn't the first time, but what of the Board, they must also be equally guilty, yes? No, I can't accept they are all so dumb it just doesn't sit well. near sighted?, possibly.
2. Now, the only thing that seems to fit is that this is a fore runner to an individual (an owner of Money Shop) actually buying WWFC. It makes more sense than option 1. It explains the crazy reaction to what does look like a very bad business decision on behalf of WWFC?
As I say, just my ramblings. I know no more than anyone else but this needs resolving.
16 May 2016 18:09:56
DerbyWolf.
You're right. It's totally nonsensical as far as it goes that Money Shop is just an ordinary sponsor. The aggro you mention surely cannot be worth it?
One reasonable and logical explanation is that there is a hidden agenda. Your Option 2 in fact? I can't think of anything else.
The £1.5mil is a pathetic sum for all that aggro. If they threw all those efforts into a new signing, they could sign a bloke like Afobe for a couple of mil and sell him for a big profit. Make money that way; after all we're looking like a selling club anyway.
16 May 2016 19:31:37
Gee wolf as the environmental guys are at the Mol do you think Rentakil may be in talkes with Moxey ref the takeover?
16 May 2016 20:10:52
your guess is as good as mine I am just an interested observer Spanish wolf.
16 May 2016 20:26:04
Still no disclosure on how much tms deal worth to club. didnt mind yelling how much silverbug deal was. any wonder fans don't trust anything club says when act so cloak and dagger all time.
16 May 2016 22:20:41
Mmmm Rentokil, I wonder what sort of nasty infestation they could be getting rid of? Answers on a postcard please.
17 May 2016 09:59:41
It as to be Poxey Moxey EJ with is Pie droppings.
17 May 2016 10:06:48
Rentokil?
Apparently there's a fungus infestation at Molineux. Been there about 17 years I think. It's called Fungi Moxeyitis. Sucks the life out of everything.
17 May 2016 10:53:27
Re Derbywolf and Moneyshop buying, it is the only thing that makes sense. But, there is the potential that it is just because Moxey is incompetent and out of control. Broken down as -
He's a finance person, which means he's left-brained (logical, less emotion and feel) but being an accountant isn't attractive, so it seems he wants to be a marketing person and has a bob on himself that he is. But marketing people are right-brained, as a left-brained finance person Moxey wouldn't be able to genuinely 'get' marketing and it's why he's so $$$$ at it. But conceited, he still thinks he's a marketing person.
That feeds into a miscomprehension Moxey appears to have had all along, that Wolves are an urban working class club comparable to Everton. That's completely wrong (it's just how WWFC looks from Moxey's office window) , but makes sense of why Moxey would think an urban working-class / class-limited brand like Moneyshop would fit with WWFC. So that explains why Moneyshop in the first place - because Moxey doesn't understand about brands and fit but thinks he does.
And that's born out, by the fact WWFC has a published mission statement, saying they strive for excellence (they do everything professionally) . So Moxey should have had proper Marketing pro's review the Moneyshop sponsorship proposal to report for Wolves on its potential impact on identity, market, and reach etc - but I bet Moxey didn't, because he assumes he is a marketing person and no one can tell him anything. He's the opposite of professional and with Moneyshop, not getting pro advice (and he can't have done) meant he did fail Wolves mission.
But he's not a complete idiot, he knew Moneyshop would be unpopular (simply due to morals, just like at Bolton FC) , he even admitted at launch that Moneyshop's industry has a negative image, he effectively admitted he knew they were sub-prime. So then add in the fact Moxey is like a 1980's extremist Tory and control freak, who seems to think to be a good CEO he has to make tough decisions and then refuse to u-turn on them. He set Moneyshop up as a legally binding agreement before it was announced, to stitch us up and better force his ugly penny-wise way through, because he think's a few extra £k is worth more than anything to do with our image and that he knows best.
Moxey and Moneyshop is like Thatcher and Poll Tax. And WWFC board are just a bunch of clueless yes-men who get consistently taken in by Moxey's (completely unfounded) confidence.
So there you go, sensibly the only way of accounting for Moxey signing Moneyshop is because they are buying, and the sponsorship is to get game-changing investment round FFP. But alternatively, it could simply be that Moxey is just completely out of his depth, out of control and no one at Wolves has the guts, wits, or maybe in Morgan's case, the interest to challenge him.
If Moneyshop are buying, we'll see this summer because we'll spend massive (the sponsorship was to get big investment round FFP to buy league and push for Prem) . If we don't see that transfer spend, Moxey has just screwed up to epic proportions, and WWFC fans should make it their mission to get him sacked, because Wolves will never be a success with him, he's incompetent, he does much more damage than any good.
17 May 2016 11:34:59
Interesting post Ulf - if your right then something has to be done if no money spent - we can't trust Jez at all - he only cares about lining his own pockets. I think there is something going on behind the scenes. But we won't know anything till the deal is done.
17 May 2016 11:51:31
Ulf why don't you run for president of the USA you talk as much crap as Trump. Give everyone a break and keep your reteric to your self.
17 May 2016 12:18:24
I like Trump he's amusing, has something of the Dean Saunders about him :-) People take too much too seriously.
And re talking crap, I'm only talking professional crap, like Wolves are meant to work to. Their published Mission is that the club Strives for Excellence. That's a Mission for an admin Company, like a Bank or Builders etc, not right for a football club that should just be striving to win, excellent or not.
But, that inappropriate Mission should be very useful in some respects, in Admin processes like Marketing, where it should force WWFC to get professional external advice so they make properly informed and therefore excellent decisions, like in brand / identity (would have stopped Moxey wrongly assuming we're like Everton) , and in sponsorship (would have stopped Moxey mis-fitting us with Moneyshop) . But it's apparently not being adhered to and is completely ignored - unless it is a cunning trick to get investment round FFP for a new owner, Moneyshop isn't in anyway excellent. It's a failure of our Mission that will harm the club and its opportunities, and was almost certainly caused my Moxey and our Board ignoring that Mission.
That's a really serious issue, it means the club is making it up as it goes along and will never achieve anything good permanently (just like we got to Prem and couldn't make it stick) . This needs nailing or it will just keep happening in different ways causing us to keep failing.
17 May 2016 14:19:18
Ulf, whilst some of your points may be correct you are making to many judgement calls. I would like to quote you but there are far too many amoungst your epic dialog's found on this site. You clearly have a very anylitical brain not sure whether that's you left or right side of your brain but no doubt you will inform us.
You right about Trump he does make us laugh its a shame your posts dont.
17 May 2016 15:13:21
Yes I'm right brained, almost to the point of being disabled by it, as it's hugely absorbing / distracting, and I'm hopeless with maths and other stuff because of it.
Different people have different strengths and weaknesses - like Einstein said. "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid". I'm not sure if playing with Marketing means Moxey is a fish out of water or a monkey in it, but whichever, he's a finance guy, which means he won't have marketing feel and vision (unless he's one of those 1 in a million types like Richard Branson who can do it all, in which case he'd be his own self-made multi-millionaire and not an employee) .
Properly on topic, I just want Wolves to run like a proper club, making reasonable decisions we can support, or if unpopular decisions, at least ones that make us more successful. Unless it's an FFP trick, Moneyshop sponsorship does neither of those things, it isn't a reasonable thing that warrants support, and it's an unpopular thing but not one that will make us more successful, in reality there's every reason to think it will make us less successful. If not a FFP trick it is a mistake and failure, like so many we've had to suffer over the last however many years (like the stand etc) , it keeps happening because we have no input and the club is run with bad policies that allow our top brass to just make it up as they go along without ever having to explain themselves or ever being held to account.
If we can't get Moneyshop binned, we need to at least find out how it happened and try to stop these kind of things happening again.
17 May 2016 16:54:33
I take it you've got time on your hands at the moment Ulf,? . Just say it, money shop presents us as a cheap club with no ambition and Moxey dos'nt care as long as he thinks he's done a job. there's no intetaction with us the fans and we are becoming/ are a joke. Or moxey is playing a blinder and we'll have plenty of transfer cash and promotion push. Either way none of us know, and if KJ Thewal are to remain will it make any difference?
17 May 2016 18:09:53
Yes I have time on my hands at moment, but am only posting because Moneyshop kicked it off and it's so potentially bad (if it's not a FFP trick, I think it's worse than getting relegated back to League 1) . And I've been posting lots in order to try and inform opinion while there was still a chance supporter lobbying might make a difference, while the petition still had momentum, while Morgan was still catching up and deciding, before printed shirt stock was delivered etc.
I think that window of opportunity has probably gone now, we're stuck with Moneyshop, but while it's still recent news it's still a platform, and it would be good to point peoples focus onto Moxey for doing it in the first place.
If it is a FFP trick, then my lobbying (that keeps caveating the potential of a FFP trick) won't matter, the summer spending will outpace all criticism. But if it isn't a FFP trick and Moxey has just screwed us, the sooner we catch up with him for it the better. Either way Moxey deserves a monkey on his back, we should either expect huge transfer spending from Moneyshop sponsorship money, or he sold us out and way too cheap and needs to go for it.
17 May 2016 18:45:40
Ulf,
If, as rumoured, Money Shop sponsorship over three years is only £1.5mil approx., that will rule out huge transfer spending this summer! In other words we could have the worst of both worlds. No real money to spend and a crap discredited sponsor! Hope you're wrong on your two scenarios.
17 May 2016 19:10:51
That's what first did my head in. When they first announced Moneyshop, I thought it might be an FFP trick so, on that basis and with that caveated, I was actually supportive of it. I only became negative about it and started trying to lobby against it once I saw those trade press rumours about the low value of around £500k per year.
For that money it's a crazy deal from Wolves point of view and I'd guess Moxey has just been had by a sharper shark than him in that Moneyshop bloke. And on that basis I go off on one - but then I remember how crazy it really is, and end up back to thinking it must be a FFP trick and them buying, and Wolves are only pretending it's not and is low value to stop other clubs twigging we have cash to spend and to keep transfer prices down.
If I didn't care about it I could probably guess well, but with it being Wolves and pantomime villain Moxey, I'm too emotionally involved with it with too much existing distrust of Moxey to be objective enough to have a clue which it is. I know it should be the FFP trick and Moneyshop buying though, it's too good an opportunity for it not to be. If we haven't done it, some club should.
17 May 2016 19:46:30
Ulf, if yoir trying to wind people up your doing a good job.
Bring back Tamworth Paul .
17 May 2016 20:24:07
I'm lobbying for Moxey monkeys.
17 May 2016 21:30:33
George you say Flores has experience of the champ and if you mean the championship when would that be?
17 May 2016 21:37:15
Just watching hull v derby Ulf. can't help wondering what your thoughts on 'flamingo land' are?
17 May 2016 21:44:56
And 'just eat' (? ) , come to that. Do those sponsors tell us anything about hull and derby?
17 May 2016 22:46:13
Sorry OGW I had it in my head that flores took them up, me bad, would still take him here if there is decent investment.
17 May 2016 22:59:34
I’ve checked before, Flamingo Land isn’t a Casino or Strippers Club, it’s a pukka Wildlife Park, with flamingos.
Not very pro but fits with them being a Champ club, regional advertising supporting local tourism, being a family club etc. I guess a bit embarrassing for fans to wear, but not if they see it’s just funny in a nice way and can share in the joke. Maybe if they got to Prem and established, they’d upgrade to something more pro? But anyway, Hull isn't as pro a club as Wolves, and is one of those one-club-per-town North East coast places, like Sunderland, Middlesbrough and Newcastle, where the region and all clubs have working class identities but everyone’s included. So they can be down market without it affecting their reach (eg their made up Tiger is hardly classy) , and like before Hull were sponsored by Cash Converters without major issue or consequence.
In the West we’re more split, so Liverpool, Villa, Man U, Wolves etc glam and inclusive, while Everton, Man City (before the Arabs) , Brum, Baggies each regions down to earth urban working class version. Don’t think Moneyshop would hurt Baggies reach – it’s about fit and they already have that class-defined urban glass ceiling in their heritage, we don’t.
Re Derby, Let’s Eat is down market, it doesn’t fit with their potential but doesn't hurt it permanently, if it’s only while they’re Champ and got something more classy in Prem, no problem. Although Moneyshop is massively worse, maybe it would be more bearable if Wolves gave us some assurance that it will only be while we're in Champ, and if we got to Prem it would be reviewed.
{Ed003's Note - Do some more research on Flamingo Land and the geography of Hull.and the rest I'll just leave for others.}
17 May 2016 23:54:09
:-P It's also a Theme Park with roller coasters, and looks like both club and them think it's good for Prem?
lol, at least they weren't a Strippers club and I hadn't dreamt checking they weren't. They do apparently have some flamingo's, and a holiday village in North Yorks (which is kind of Hull) . But then it is Hull AFC, very little potential for reach and glamour beyond their locals anyway, and guess it's not really worse than Doritos.
:- ( And preferred Derby to have made play off. And we should have signed Bruce.
18 May 2016 00:15:02
And just checked on google maps, Flamingo Land near Scarborough :-) Still North East Coast but closer to Middlesbrough than Hull. But then I wouldn't mind Alton Towers, it's innocent enough. We should just be grateful Paris got Disneyland and Micky Mouse and not some poor English town and football club. I bet we'd have had Micky Mouse given the chance.
18 May 2016 06:15:51
Strip clubs have their knockers, but I for one think they are perfectly legit businesses.
Are you talking about Wolves FC being glam or Wolverhampton being glam? Because Wolverhampton certainly isn't glam. It's consistently rated as one of the worse, ugly and most depressing places to live. With that in mind Moneyshop fits perfectly.
18 May 2016 06:37:55
And the point is, I watched the match and the sponsors meant hapso usely nothing to me. It did'nt influence me. It did'nt make me curious to find out, I still don't know what 'eat it' is or means. So maybe your market based analysis is left for the commercial depts. and don't over concern yourself with money shop. I don't like it but end of day nobody is going to make an assumption on a shirt sponsor, or are everyone in hull cramming into leisure landsvafter matches, and derby fans suffering with apetite peoblens? Chill ulf.
18 May 2016 13:35:03
clivewolves.
Strip clubs have their knockers? If there weren't any the punters wouldn't go.
Reminds me of a shop in London where I used to buy stuff for my doors. It was Knobs and Knockers. Yes, they like dodgy names in London. Today there is a shoe shop in Kings Road called:
"R Soles". Reminds me of some of the top brass at Wolves.
{Ed001's Note - hahaha good reply DT.}