Wolves Banter Archive July 08 2016
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08 Jul 2016 23:26:39
I can't wait for this takeover to be confirmed. Last time the club was sold, it was 4 years until we ended up with morgan. My one hope as a fan is that if and when we do spend money on players that we buy quality and not just quantity. Good players that will improve our team cost money but we don't have to be chucking 10 mil plus just because people think they are good enough. New manager (hopefully) new owner. Good times are ahead for us as a fan base and a club.
09 Jul 2016 00:50:10
Looking at this more and re Robin Li. He's co-founder of China's biggest Internet search engine, with another guy who was in the consortium to buy AC Milan. Internet search engines are a key to markets, in terms of the insight they give into them, what a market is thinking and where it's going, how to market to it / drive it's thinking and behaviour and your opportunities. Especially in massive markets like China.
China is a partially closed / hard to access market, us having a co-founder of China's biggest search engine as Wolves owner, with his partner apparently not involved in English football and only AC Milan, could give Wolves incredible access to the Chinese market and a big advantage in becoming really big there. Which would need us being successful here, but then the tide of revenue from support and merchandise in China could be huge.
I checked about Wolf symbolism in Chinese culture, and traditionally it's not necessarily great, means aggressive, savage, dangerous, and greedy. But then apparently since 2004, they've had something called "Wolf Spirit" in Corporate thinking, that's totally changed it's image with a "Wolf chic" culture and loads of books pushing survival of the fittest and winner mentality, but like wolves, by working as a team. It's like the wolf has become Corporate / Modern China's symbol for going from Communism to competing and winning in a market while maintaining community.
And gold is a very positive colour to them, and huge status symbol. I know from a PC game World of Tanks that has a version in China, people there (only there, nowhere else) spend big money to get gold coloured tanks as a status symbol. Again it means winning.
Altogether brand and marketing opportunity wise this makes massive sense and could see us really sorted. We won in the old World, missed out in the present one, maybe the future World is going to be ours a bit, at last :-)
09 Jul 2016 07:52:54
I think we've all missed you and your social commentary regarding Wolves Ulf.
Does this takeover fit in with your Shropshire/ Staffordshire outlook rather than a gritty urban one.
I particularly enjoyed your mention of World of Tanks. I think it's fair to say nobody else on this forum would have even considered it. That's the kind of insight we've missed in last couple of weeks.
09 Jul 2016 07:58:01
Well said Ulf. I was waiting for your essay on Robin Li. You're right. In fact he encouraged his employees to think like Wolves. The symbolism is enormous for us. I liken it to the owners who wanted Tom name their teams, Cardif City Dragons and Hull City Tigers, etc. And change colour to red in Cardiff's case.
Dragons, Tigers and Wolves are great names for football teams in world markets and the beauty is that we don't have to enforce a name change at Wolves.
I'm sure WBA will also be sold to Asian investors soon. What now name will they come up with? I can't think Baggies will be marketable!
Finally, Robin Li should drop Money Shop shirt sponsorship. I'd be happy with Baidu on our shirts, although he may wait till success is more assured on the pitch.
09 Jul 2016 14:32:52
It's just so brilliant, in marketing you have a thing, then have to pretend lots of things about it to make it saleable. Not here, everything is naturally right and fits all on it's own, it's a work of art!
Apparently wolf is the one impressive animal in Chinese culture that never got a mystical meaning because it was associated with Genghis Khan, who the Chinese named the wolf and didn't like very much. So the animal / word got avoided. So it was empty of mystical meaning, which allowed the corporate World to adopt it and it now has modern 'mystical' meaning, ultra cool and the future rather than the past. And best of all, it symbolises enterprise (but as a team, in a positive healthy way for communities) . Our town and regions heritage is enterprise and grass roots community (rather than an imposed class system with by divides like they had in Liverpool or South Wales etc) .
It really couldn't be a more perfect fit. And yes about Moneyshop, I think it will undermine what Li wants to push our identity as and he'll bin it. But also if we are going to be a big name in China (and every reason to think we will be with Li co-founder of their main search engine) our shirt sponsor is a much bigger deal, with access to / needing relevance in a much bigger (Chinese) market, and worth much more money than Moneyshop have paid or would pay. So rather than Moneyshop binned just because they are ugly, we need our shirt sponsor upgrading for the bigger more sophisticated World we're entering and to optimise our opportunities in it. Business sense dictates Moneyshop should go, maybe not this season (as too much hassle replacing shirts) but I reckon before the 3yrs is up.
It's ace, the Baggies want to get into China so Peace had a Chinese betting sponsor on their shirt. At Wolves, we don't need to try to get into China on the coat-tails of a bookie, China will likely be getting into us as a mainstream thing :-)
09 Jul 2016 14:55:54
lol clivewolves. Yes this takeover fits the bill perfectly as his identity is so big / high-up and removed from normality it's totally inclusive. In fact with the IT connection it's exactly what I was hoping for, IT revolution links to Industrial Revolution, but as the clean modern next step, as the future, for town and countryside without it distorting / degrading either, just modernising and enriching them both. Even the fact he's Chinese and not Anglo doesn't matter, because he did lots of education in the USA so understands Western.
And apparently he was appointed by Ban Ki Moon to be co-chair of a UN commission investigating and reporting on future data opportunities for the UN. Just imagine what this guy, considered to be in top ten IT business people in the World, considered to be one of the Worlds greatest business leaders, could do for the town and region. Wolves could become an IT leader and centre of excellence, which would be awesome for it's young people, giving them a really decent future. Best thing ever, million times better than Morgan and his houses for wealthy people or Moxey's grubby view of us like an even smaller-time urban Everton.
Hurray for Wolves, we deserve this. And I reckon Robin Li deserves us, we could do great things together and for one another :-)
08 Jul 2016 22:46:18
If saturday will be jacketts last game so after the game evening night could be told. Due to the tour on 17th. At ireland. Depends how quick li wants to change.
Have good night.
08 Jul 2016 22:08:45
I know this is very dampening and I don't want to think like this but these still no solid evidence that the documents have been sent of or even that li is in contact with the club.
But I really hope this is true.
08 Jul 2016 22:21:15
Johnwwfc 1 just have a beer a couple of lines of sherbet dip and chill. It's happening👍 Have a good weekend 👍.
08 Jul 2016 22:23:30
Good one Ed 👍.
{Ed003's Note - my pleasure :) }
08 Jul 2016 16:03:21
Paperwork 'handed to FA' - Robin Li deal nearer to completion
goo.gl/uOKXvC
08 Jul 2016 20:28:16
What is the Next Stage. Is it rubber stamped from here?
08 Jul 2016 20:35:34
Kickin Moxey Thellwell and JACKETT out 👍.
08 Jul 2016 20:43:41
I'm all for that Paul.
08 Jul 2016 22:01:32
Wolves ay li wolves ay li.
08 Jul 2016 20:11:50
Just wondering IF ( Not when. I've supported Wolves too long to get my hopes up yet! ) the Robin Li takeover does happen, what is the state of affairs with a CEO? Will Moxey cling onto his role or, as seems the case with management and coaching, will there be a shake-up in that department too?
08 Jul 2016 20:09:41
Martin Odegaard loan?
Few young talent about.
What realistic player's should we get first?
Championship goal scorers tempt the one from Norwich. Jerome. Proven championship goal scorer. Just chucking names :) what Julen Lopetegui be doing.
08 Jul 2016 19:49:31
Hi all not posted before but been watching the last 6 days so excited with what's happening but if it is now official with the fa y has nobody reporting on it is because of the nds?
08 Jul 2016 19:34:06
Team for tomorrow?
1st half
Ikeme
Iorfa Williamson hause Under 21
Henry price McDonald Byrne
Wallace
Mason
2nd half
Lonergan
Odoffin batth EEL Doherty
Saville Coady
Evans
Enobakhare.
08 Jul 2016 19:48:01
Be good not to see the majority of them at Rotherham 👍.
08 Jul 2016 21:05:36
I'd keep hause, iorfa, Williamson, price Evans, McDonald, Henry maybe Wallace, Mason and enobakhare and of course dicko.
08 Jul 2016 21:26:49
Ikeme iorfa Macdonald Graham and Dicko, the rest we can loan to AC Milan 👍.
08 Jul 2016 23:35:00
Forgot about Graham😅.
09 Jul 2016 00:58:35
I like Edwards though.
08 Jul 2016 18:49:54
Hang on guys, people have put on here that we were going to have the takeover announced today. Have we? Kenny Jackett was supposed to have been sacked days ago. Has he? Throughout what would be a great takeover for the club, you've got to think are we that soon to it? I don't think so.
08 Jul 2016 19:08:58
Disagreer it's done, 😄😄😄😄 and have a few 🍺🍺🍺The last week has been like an eternity! The Futures Bright The Futures Robin Li 👍👍👍.
08 Jul 2016 19:25:10
The futures old gold and black.
08 Jul 2016 17:35:43
Gabriel Jesus has been mentioned as poss signing, Brazilian wonder kid only 18, looks ace.
08 Jul 2016 18:23:50
Jesus has been mentioned quite a few times by Wolves fans over the last few Months.
08 Jul 2016 18:36:53
You mean the Gabriel Jesus that is being courted by europe's top teams? (Bayern, Real, Barcelona and Juve specifically)
08 Jul 2016 19:41:30
I think Wolves fans mentioned something like: "Jesus Wept" during a few matches. Or words to that effect.
Forget Jesus, he's big time, let's go for the Angel Gabriel instead. He's young and hungry, and cheaper.
08 Jul 2016 21:31:03
Haha. I'll be happy with Gabe' deep throat.
08 Jul 2016 17:31:17
To me from gulliems Twitter the deal is done only f a need to check all is above board, then lawyers to check and clarify contracts, sign the contracts then finished, probs next Friday maybe sooner, the only way it could collapse is robin li pulls out or f a see problems, which I doubt both, so it will happen, COYW.
08 Jul 2016 17:01:02
Whoever is posting on the Express and Star is embarrasing. Albi*n are still a Premiership team, our potential new owner hasn't been confirmed YET. And even when/ if this is all confirmed we are not guarenteed to get out of the Championship! Get a grip people, your embarrasing yourself and this Club.
08 Jul 2016 17:30:19
Lincs-Wolf, who gives a toss about them lot from the POORTHORNS being in the prem! Just remember WE ARE going to BE THERE SOON .
08 Jul 2016 18:03:10
Linc's rise above it.
08 Jul 2016 15:51:25
The deal will be concluded by the 15th fact.
08 Jul 2016 16:06:20
How do you know that?
08 Jul 2016 16:11:46
Can we all stand another week of on and off and on again?
08 Jul 2016 16:19:56
I like how you specifically put by, and not on. Very clever. I do feel it will be done some time next week, but that's just a gut feeling, nothing more.
08 Jul 2016 16:34:32
Heard it's early next week.
08 Jul 2016 16:38:11
They say Moxey goes on holiday the 15th so I'd def expect everything wrapped up by then. Your guess is as good as mine whether they keep him short term or not?
08 Jul 2016 17:00:47
Why should moxey b allowed to have a holiday 3weeks b4 start of season. If he still at wolves surely he would have to sanction transfers?
08 Jul 2016 17:24:06
When this goes through the transfers have already been sanctioned by the new owner and naff all to do with Moxey.
08 Jul 2016 15:42:37
Hopefully the takeover will go through next week and I'm certain Mr Li will pass the 'Fit and Proper' process, which the League also has to ratify- paperwork eh! Whilst I expect some reinforcements (and do we need them) , that are of a substantially higher quality than the signings we have made of late, don't expect an open cheque book policy. Li will only be interested in the Premiership and success but won't be reckless in his spending. He is too wise an operator. An approach along the Watford lines, where some talented AC Milan players will come over and they will be reinforced with a handful of quality players. It might take until next year to get promoted and we should show patience to ensure the roots to long term success are firmly in place. Exciting times ahead and hopefully for the long term!
08 Jul 2016 15:33:44
Surely you all noticed that he put 'FA got all the documentation for the potential wolves buyerS', yes that's a plural, not buyer, that's why there's another level.
08 Jul 2016 16:13:09
Asked on Twitter whether Chinese billionaire Robin Li was the potential buyer in waiting, Balague's response was short and to the point.
Yes
But he did say that you're right. We'll see. Could easily be a language thing.
08 Jul 2016 16:20:06
Clarkey Nobody is interested in your daft comments! If you check twitter Guillem Balague states clearly that it is? Robin Li's name on the takeover papers submitted to the F A AND Nobody Else. FACT!
08 Jul 2016 16:45:08
Someone asked is it Robin Li and he said yes, might just be Robin Li but i'm just saying he has put buyers, plus Karlis he didn't say nobody else at all, you have to look at all possibles when it comes to Wolves, nothings ever easy we all know that.
08 Jul 2016 14:48:27
Balatelli and tevez.? Lol.
08 Jul 2016 15:16:43
Nah, Messi, Ronaldo and Griezman .
08 Jul 2016 15:58:30
Im thinking logical. Lol.
08 Jul 2016 16:10:21
We can all dream lol!
08 Jul 2016 16:32:41
Just think sky sports deadline day. The names can pop up.
08 Jul 2016 14:44:51
Anybody else think we may be counting our chickens before they're hatched. I will be as happy as everyone else when and if it's all done and dusted but nothing in life is certain and nothing's signed yet. one thing I've learned being a wolves fan is never get too carried away. what we seem to have forgotten is that they're dealing with m&m. the two people who've put us in this mess and at the moment Morgan is still the owner.
08 Jul 2016 14:54:33
True.
08 Jul 2016 14:56:04
I agree. let's regain a bit of composure until all of this is announced. To follow on with the egg analogies, we don't want to be left with egg on our face.
08 Jul 2016 14:59:08
Or maybe Morgan has waited until an offer came along that took us on to the next level. In the meantime he has made sure that we are in an excellent position to receive a big financial investment. Just a thought as well as taking players from AC Milan what a boost it would be for Iorfa and Hause to get some time playing in Milan.
08 Jul 2016 15:02:33
all the paperwork is with the F A it's been confirmed so why do you continue to disbelieve it?
08 Jul 2016 15:15:38
Karlis it ain't over the line yet.
08 Jul 2016 15:50:09
Please no more negativity, let's all be positive, we, ve had enough negativity to last a lifetime, what a wonderful time to ne a Wolves fan, hopefully this will be a day to tell ya grankids about in time.
let's enjoy the moment, think how the albion fans must be thinking, been reading there forums and they were dreading this happening. Hope eddie the albion fan (who hates Wolves) off radio WM is listening.
"WIM RICHER THAN YOW"
GOD BLESS SIR JACK.
08 Jul 2016 15:50:49
I don't disbelieve and I'm not saying it's not going to happen. I really hope it does but I just don't want people ending up looking foolish. there's a lot of people getting carried away and don't you think we've been made a fool of snuff especially the last season and before anyone thinks I blame kj for that I don't. I do believe it's time for a new manager but his hands were tied.
08 Jul 2016 14:40:15
I have no news regarding the takeover. However, there is one aspect of the club which I believe should be addressed which is the colour of our kit.
We are meant to be the gold and black army, however that is hard to say when our colour is orange. Ever since the 2000-2002 kits (17 years ago! ) our team has exhibited the hues of Hull City with orange replacing the gold. I'm sure most of you would agree with me when I propose that the new owners (whoever it will be) should reintroduce the gold for the 17/ 18 season. If you all observe the new Tottenham Hotspur third kit, I'm sure you would all prefer that kit as opposed to the one which has been recently released.
Just food for thought, would be great to start a petition to bring back the gold and with it the pride which the club has unfourtunately lost in the last decade.
08 Jul 2016 13:57:39
Something told me this mornin we were on for good news, so i've been down to the tattoo palace in wolves had me Out Of Darkness Cometh Light tattoo, you no what I feel so proud now to have this on my arm, will show off as much I can to all them bennies down the road, can't wait to go on there forum, they were all dreading us being "THE SECOND RICHEST CLUB IN THE COUNTRY"please tell me i'm not dreaming.
08 Jul 2016 14:24:40
1. It's not complete yet, don't get too ahead of yourself.
2. Who said we are the second richest club in the country? We may have one of the richest owners in the country, but it certainly doesn't mean he's going to give all of his wealth to Wolves! QPR have a very wealthy owner and they haven't done to great have they? Admittedly they haven't had the right managers in place, but still.
08 Jul 2016 14:24:47
If it goes through we will be wealthy but I doubt we will be 2nd wealthiest.
08 Jul 2016 14:37:51
You just better hope it's not all a trick and Moxey isn't really heading a consortium to buy Wolves, he might re-brand it Moxey Wanderers FC, you'll have to get a pie tattooed on your other arm ;-)
08 Jul 2016 14:40:04
Ok biggest and wealthiest club in the midlands will do for now😃😃😃😃😃😃😃😃😃😃😃😃😃.
08 Jul 2016 14:45:29
Man utd, Arsenal, Man City and QPR owners or a share holder involved in these 4 clubs have a higher wealth value than RL. I will settle for 5th richest thank you very much. Great news at least now we should see something in the press and maybe even the club. E&S remain way behind in the news.
08 Jul 2016 13:38:45
Dear mr li thankyou buying the mighty wolves fc ( best / biggest club in Midlands ) u will find that the folk off wolvo will back u 100% so long can see team trying we all just got one request after u make us biggest club ever - could u just nip over to Sandwell and Tarmac over the" poorthorns " ASAP sure the local gypsies will appreciate some where to park their caravans.
08 Jul 2016 13:45:25
yamyam rob how can you be so cruel to the POOR RELATIONS down the Brum Rd Mudflats lol
totally pissing myself with laughter!
08 Jul 2016 14:01:49
I can see the headlines now, "Gypsies move on to Sandwell site in large numbers, house prices set to soar"
Tee, feckin Hee.
08 Jul 2016 14:40:29
Stu, lol, Sandwell Townies am all tatters anyway lol.
08 Jul 2016 13:29:49
Robin Li statue!
08 Jul 2016 13:27:02
Hold on too your hats ladies n gents wolves are about to go stratospheric - the deal is done English fa have all paperwork -were about become 2nd wealthiest club in uk nxt week 🍻🍻🍾🍾😄😄😄😄🔥🔥🔥🔥👍👍👍👍👍😄.
08 Jul 2016 13:13:47
What's going to be the next biggest clue it's a done deal? JACKETT leavin or a press release?
08 Jul 2016 13:05:53
Are wolves waiting for pep conference to finish before confirming sumat.
08 Jul 2016 12:30:52
Ballague's latest tweet.
The @FA has all the documentation from the potential @OfficialWolves buyers. Early next week they should get permission to reach next stage.
08 Jul 2016 12:14:02
Kenny Jackett has resigned with immediate effect.
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Sorry I was dreaming then : (
08 Jul 2016 12:26:08
Don't worry mate your dream will come true in the next few days
guaranteed!
08 Jul 2016 12:06:02
second stage for Villa took just over a week to complete. So we have 6 weeks to bring in new players hopefully thellwell might bring in Powell.
08 Jul 2016 12:15:41
"Hopefully Thelwell will bring in Powell"!
I HOPE FOREST GUMP (THELWELL) IS SHOWN THE BLOODY DOOR FIRST!
08 Jul 2016 12:32:19
Thelwell's more likely to bring in Enoch Powell.
08 Jul 2016 12:43:52
I'm with Karlis. I hope Thelwell is sent packing.
08 Jul 2016 12:58:49
Love it, Enoch Powell. PMSL
I Love the Wolves Banter, pure Guiness.
Dark with a good head.
08 Jul 2016 12:02:49
Somebody tell jackett now. It ay fair on him.
08 Jul 2016 11:52:09
Balague saying the FA has documentation from the wolves 'buyers' and should be at the next stage next week.
On his Twitter if you want a look.
08 Jul 2016 11:58:17
Confirmed,
08 Jul 2016 11:51:43
Just updated from Guillem
#everyonecalmdown :)
Guillem Balague Guillem Balague 6m6 minutes ago
The @FA has all the documentation from the potential @OfficialWolves buyers. Early next week they should get permission to reach next stage.
08 Jul 2016 11:43:37
You know it's funny that a couple of posters on here are now stating as fact that moxey has a consortium together that is active in these alleged takeover talks' up until a couple of days ago, no one really mentioned the possibility, and now we have people saying allsorts about how close this all is.
Well I'm not sure about Robin Li being involved in a takeover, but i'm almost certain that moxey hasn't got a consortium at all and that those saying otherwise are just bored rival fans with nothing better to do than wind up wolves fans with the one thing none of us would actually want'which is moxey owning and/ or remaining at the club.
Morgan is going to let the club go'that looks certain now Jackett has said as much' but it ain't going to be moxey doing the buying I'm sure.
08 Jul 2016 11:39:10
We shouldn't get too wound up if we can't sign a whole new team by August. As long as the takeover happens quickly we will make a few strategic signings to supplement the core of our present squad. I expect that more players will be signed in January than now. The revolution will take time. This is the biggest thing in our entire history, so be patient.
08 Jul 2016 11:37:56
Must be some press waiting near compton. In a black tinted car. to see jackett drive of.
Must of had time to day goodbye.
08 Jul 2016 11:04:03
Attention Attention here is today's announcement :
! You have not won this time!
Try again tomorrow.
08 Jul 2016 13:11:36
time to eat your words Hard Wolf!
08 Jul 2016 10:20:50
So much for for our supposed new assistant manager, gone to derby.
08 Jul 2016 10:50:09
Just searched this and nothing reported other than it is still a 2 horse race between Derby and Wolves. Derby have confirmed they have made an approach this morning nothing more than that.
08 Jul 2016 10:50:44
Not surprised, with so much indecision coming out of Molineux. Today, s the 8th, we have been promised by all and sundry that today is THE DAY. Wait and hope in anticipation.
08 Jul 2016 11:11:31
Refresh your search mate.
08 Jul 2016 11:18:00
Until there is an announcement, I'm going to countdown to the new season expecting KJ to be in charge.
08 Jul 2016 11:29:42
Tim Spiers confirms on twitter Idiakez has joined Derby County.
08 Jul 2016 11:39:38
Guillieme Balague on twitter says next tweet will give an official update on the takeover of Wolverhampton Wanderers.
08 Jul 2016 11:49:17
Balague just tweeted paperwork gone to fa, due diligence?
08 Jul 2016 09:26:15
Does anyone feel that the deal must be close? I only ask because, if not, less than a month to go to Rotherham, and only one signing, a geriatric back up keeper, if it isn't, I fear a relegation battle, and then the very real prospect of Mr Morgan seeing his £30 million asking price take a very big hit.
08 Jul 2016 11:03:51
Very good comment Brewood that's why I am thinking positive and sticking my neck out and saying it will go through, it as to now as Wolves fans would be going bonkers and Morgan and Moxeys life would be hell.
08 Jul 2016 08:36:07
Its been a long week.
08 Jul 2016 09:00:38
Think positive wolf money, it will be a better week next week when Robin Li takes over, hopefully by weekend.
08 Jul 2016 08:00:06
Looks like we just got to sit and wait guys cause they're just going to make us wait a bit longer.
08 Jul 2016 08:09:49
Gee wolf as your the closest, go down the local Chinese get a menu, get into Moxeys office look for anything unsigned and then just copy anything off the menu in Chinese! But don't copy the word Crackers as they will realise it's u 👍.
08 Jul 2016 08:29:19
Ok for any skeptics just read kj new interview in the e and s all but fully confirming take over fingers crossed for today. #big news.
08 Jul 2016 08:46:19
He does say he won't resign.
The words of a man waiting for the inevitable.
I still won't believe it until I see it!
08 Jul 2016 08:49:31
Yeh read it, hopefully today is the day? 🙏.
08 Jul 2016 08:56:18
Also he says he won't resign and doesn't walk away? He did at Swansea and Millwall. 😂😂😂 Wait for your pay off sunshine but your not getting any sympathy from me. Good Riddance.
08 Jul 2016 07:18:26
This is doing my head in wish some one from wolves would just come out and let us know what's going on us loyal fans need to know it's been going on far too long.
08 Jul 2016 06:27:28
Someone else in the running to buy wolves a Chinese man called pen- ding, every where I look it says pen-ding wolves take over lol COYW!
08 Jul 2016 00:40:02
I can't cope. I check like hourly every day to check if there's been an update and I talk to someone close who has inside knowledge and I'm getting nowhere. People need to only post the truth because so many people change their stories and frankly it's boring. *Cough* David Clarke *Cough* Moxit.
08 Jul 2016 08:40:10
ILLUMINATICONFIRMED cheer up think on positive side all these negative stories on here are from the fans down the road they are more interested in our club what's happening than there own, another thing if this deal does not go through WHICH I THINK IT WILL DEFINITELY GO THROUGH, MOXEY AND MORGAN will be responsible for losing thousands of fans for next season that's why it's not going to happen, I now it's taking a bit longer than we thought but all the paper work as to be done correctly but when it's done you will find that they have everything in place players as well, so let's think positive we are WOLVES AY WE.