Wolves Banter Archive July 16 2016

 

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16 Jul 2016 21:24:54
Thoughts on Godwill Ekpolo? On trial, following his release from Barcelona.



17 Jul 2016 00:35:16
Barcelona don't release good players. He's been released because he ain't very good. Remember the last 2 players we signed from Barcelona a few years ago? Both have now left us and neither of them have set the world on fire.



17 Jul 2016 00:38:22
Jordi Ortega and Albert Torras were the players I refer to.



16 Jul 2016 20:49:29
Which could be what robin li needs a visa. So should be ok.



16 Jul 2016 21:09:31
George elokobi had same problem few years back going to Belgium.
And needed to get visa from london. Which moxey went last week. Could be doing it for li.
Which he probably need. a visa which can take time to do.



16 Jul 2016 19:51:16
Weve handed a trial to godswill ekpolo, he's a fullback that's been released by barcelona.



16 Jul 2016 18:53:56
Anyone know of a good cure for piles?
Been sitting at the PC too long now!



16 Jul 2016 20:22:52
It looks like with Godswill we shall get promoted after all.



17 Jul 2016 02:11:43
Priz you need a laptop and to walk around the house some :)



16 Jul 2016 18:10:50
No news is good news . next week it will be with up to 3 top players that's what I think .



16 Jul 2016 17:40:37
Alright lads first time poster I thought once the documents had been submitted that the offer had been accepted and the league just had to make sure that the buyer was legit am I being a bit thick or is that what happens cheers.



16 Jul 2016 19:04:03
You're right, but it's not an overnight thing. Robin Li is credible, so he should sail through, but the FL still have to go through the whole process.



16 Jul 2016 20:32:51
Knowing how crap fa are what's betting all focus on trying get big sam as england boss ( no thanks) so we put on backburner -time moxey put screws on em on one them boards aft all.



17 Jul 2016 02:15:36
Matt you are being a bit thick but don't worry there is half a million people the same as you (me included)



16 Jul 2016 17:28:35
My God how long is this situation going on for its starting to get really boring now no one knows nothing.



16 Jul 2016 16:54:00
This is where we probably are by now. Once the sale is agreed the club has to submit a declaration to the FA under the owner's and director's test regulations. The FA need 14 days to do their bit and reply to the club. The new owner can not be confirmed and take ownership of the club before this process is complete.
As it seems we may have notified the FA over a week ago we can only hope they are not spinning their wheels while they faff about trying to find an England manager.

We can speculate all we like but until the last bit of the jigsaw falls into place the club can't say anything in case the new owner doesn't pass the fit and proper person test.
IF we have got to this stage with the FA it should all be looking good and explains why people keep saying the sale is agreed but no announcement has been made.

So chill over the weekend and look out for the Sky van next week! I'm starting to believe!



16 Jul 2016 17:20:09
One small amendment Gordon, it's the Football League not the FA.



16 Jul 2016 17:43:23
Where is the proof of anything anyone has said not one scrap of evidence not one person has even had the decency to deny or show evidence of a takeover.



16 Jul 2016 16:39:49
Wolves have a new Belgian coach going to Ireland by the name of Van Hool.



16 Jul 2016 16:45:05
Haha very good.



16 Jul 2016 16:51:15
Very good.



16 Jul 2016 16:51:38
Let's see how many people work it out.



16 Jul 2016 17:18:03
Good I'm brain dead .



16 Jul 2016 18:01:53
For the oldies amongst us, any relationship to Don Everall?



16 Jul 2016 18:15:00
Like it, good oneπŸ‘πŸ‡»πŸ‡³πŸ‘.



16 Jul 2016 14:43:14
I reckon this is what it feels like to know you have won the lottery but you forget where you put the ticket!

Have a gut feeling itll happen on Monday. but who knows?

Jim Borstin (spelt wrong) I do feel like you are ITK and might be the only one

Any chance of a tasty nugget? PLEASE!?!



16 Jul 2016 15:39:34
lol, there's probably a lesson in that, the ticket will turn up soon as we give up and stop looking for it :-)



16 Jul 2016 17:01:19
Oh my God it's in the wash isn't it? 😩.



16 Jul 2016 13:32:03
Confirmed transfers on Twitter say Monday will be the day.



16 Jul 2016 13:45:40
You got a link.



16 Jul 2016 13:51:44
He said Friday as well?



16 Jul 2016 14:07:12
whoo said this on twitter?



16 Jul 2016 14:21:01
Plus I said after the open finished. Monday. So it be all about wolves. i'm really hoping.



16 Jul 2016 11:33:05
Look this is how I see it.

There is no reason not to believe the rumours from Spain- why would they lie

So I feel all the things that were said are correct. The reason why we are all punching our keyboards is because we have to wait and we are worried Robin Li will get sick of it and pull out.

I doubt he even has much to do with it now he will be all laywered up!

From what I understand AC Milan has been going on longer than ours so why we he bored of us when ours hasn't been going on that long

Plus we all think we will be a feeder club for AC Milan and at first this is not a bad thing. If we start challenging in the Prem though- which club we do we think the Chinese will want to watch?

AC Milan have no more history than us although they have been at the top for longer.

I think its quiet possible we have already been brought and they want to announce it with some new players so medicals etc need to be done. For all we know our new manager is already training with a few of the new players

Keep the faith. COYW.



16 Jul 2016 12:01:38
Wolf in the sun.
You're right. We're all getting our knickers in a twist. The deal has probably already been done legally. The Wolves shareholding goes through a tangled web of companies and could have already been sold to Robin Li at the far end of the line. Think of Wolves share ownership like a long garden hose pipe. We can see water coming out at the club end but the bloke with his hand on the tap at the other end controls everything. That may be Robin Li now.



16 Jul 2016 12:19:33
I hope so. The only niggling doubt I have - at the very top, people play hardball like ordinary people wouldn't believe. I just hope we and Milan aren't being played against one another by the Chinese, that it isn't the case that Posum / Robin Li only want one football club (Milan) but are bidding on us as well to put Milan under pressure - ie you either agree to our conditions or we'll walk away and buy Wolves instead, and look we're serious we've even got Mendes and the ex Porto boss lined up. (However, equally, could be other way around, they want us and are just using Milan) .

I wouldn't put it past Moxey and Morgan to jump into a war to win a buyer, and be too daft to see that they are just being played.

I have no inside info, I hope that's not the case, but since Moneyshop I just don't trust Moxey's larger sense of what's going on in deals, I think the Moneyshop CEO played to his ego and he got us stitched up in a deal that was very good for them, bad for us (and Morgan as bad for allowing it to happen) . I'm not saying this Chinese deal would be bad for us good for them, if it happens I'm sure it will be all good. Instead I mean I've not confidence in Moxey (or Morgan) seeing that they are being played, if they are.



16 Jul 2016 12:33:35
I can see what you are getting at but AC Milan are an enormous club with a huge heritage'we have a history yes'but to say its on a par with AC is pushing it a bit I think.



16 Jul 2016 12:44:34
One way to look at it theirs no news at all ether way comin from wolves or Robin li so I would think that it's all good news
And I don't think we will hear anything till it's all done and dusted
Hope in right.



16 Jul 2016 13:26:57
Re jimmyjones I completely disagree that AC Milan are bigger. They are right now, they have a hugely strong identity and position, but only because they've always had their potential optimised.

Wolves has arguably much more potential than AC Milan, if we hadn't fallen off our perch through the 60's, we'd be like Man U now, who are undeniably a bigger deal World wide than AC Milan are. We could potentially be much bigger with much wider reach than AC Milan, but it's all about optimising our potential.

The ingredients are there, they seem to perfectly fit what I'd guess must be Robin Li's agenda, he has the money to do it, and considering he does, if he has the time to let it develop too, in my honest opinion Wolves are the better buy for him offering him much more opportunity and return. And that may be it, he wants Milan for right now and to get experience of the big time, but Wolves as his real long term project.



16 Jul 2016 13:38:23
AC Milan aren't bigger than Wolves?

18 league titles
5 Italian cups
7 European cups
2 UEFA cups
5 UEFA Super cups
3 Intercontinental cups
1 FIFA club world cup

A stadium that holds 80,000. Admittedly they don't own it and only fill it for the big euro games and the local derby but still a lot more than Wolves.

It's nice to be positive, but it's another thing to be deluded. AC Milan are far bigger than Wolves and will be for many decades to come.



16 Jul 2016 13:46:37
Ulf,
I can only echo your words, that Wolves at the moment would be a huge return for a relatively small investment and the potential at this moment in time in the English Premier leauge is of epic proportions. The Italian league are embroiled in scandal after scandal and the Mafia will not relinquish much to the Chinese. So we are a far better investment. Certainly a better Country to deal with, they let slip the other day that the moment we voted to leave Europe, China and India were in like brown smelly stuff off a shovel. We are ripe.



16 Jul 2016 13:55:12
League and domestic titles are irrelevant, it's a different Country and a league with perhaps less real competition / integrity, how many honours have Rangers or Celtic got? Doesn't make them genuinely special.

And critically, AC Milan have all those domestic honours, and an 80k stadium with big support, and Euro honours because they never fell off their roll like we did. The valid comparison is to a club like Man U (that we are a seed to being with enough investment and right steering) , and imo Man U are undeniably a bigger club than AC Milan.

It's not about where things are now, it's about ingredients and potential, and we do have that potential. And yes it could take a few decades, but that's what big money is often interested in, the future world they can create out of a few seeds and go on to dominate.



16 Jul 2016 14:12:47
Ulf'I agree, the ingredients are there to make us a huge club with the standing of an AC or utd, but at the moment because of the way it's been run for a very long time, we are lagging behind by a country mile, there are clubs I could mention that we are falling away from'who you wouldn't even think about mentioning in the same breath as those clubs mentioned' but it would hurt too much to do so 'so fill the blanks in yourself.!



16 Jul 2016 14:14:57
Totally agree Stu, all of your logical points and especially, the big return is in developing something, not buying something already developed. And as you say the larger situation makes us ripe for it.

But more, if you close your eyes and lose yourself, you can feel it out there, in the past, present, and future. It leaked into SJH and he knew, maybe into SMorgan a bit (as he's definitely too emotional to be all logic) , not Moxey though as he's too logical and too much about himself to be able to lose himself to feel it. But it's there, alive and snarling at the bit ready to get going.



16 Jul 2016 14:15:38
Also I think drawing comparisons between Serie A and the Scots Prem is a bit much, you might aswell have said championship and Wolverhampton Sunday league premier division.



16 Jul 2016 14:21:25
I can argue all u like about Ac Milan vs wolves but Ac ain't ever won SHERPA VAN or TEXACO CUP -FACT!



16 Jul 2016 15:15:13
Well u got me there.



16 Jul 2016 15:19:39
Wolves are no different to Derby, Leeds, Forest and a dozen or more clubs in the league. Even dare I say West Brom. If any of their fans claimed AC Milan weren't a bigger club I would call them bonkers. Just because I support Wolves doesn't mean I should view it any differently. Also comparing Scotland to Italy is a poor comparison. Italy for many years was the best league in Europe, and could be again one day. I would put AC Milan at the same level as Real Madrid, Barcelona, Inter Milan, Juventus, Bayern Munich and Manchester United.



16 Jul 2016 16:03:04
I'd disagree. We DOMINATED football for a decade (1950's) Leeds did it after us, then Liverpool, then Man Utd. Yes other teams won titles and cups but those teams were always the ones to beat. With the right investment, planning and management, there's no reason why we couldn't do it again.



16 Jul 2016 16:11:06
But jimmyjones, neither Celtic nor Rangers had the UK PM (and one with a 'slightly' dodgy record) owning their club, pulling strings and helping them like AC Milan have had. It's not just that Serie A has less credibility of competition than the Prem (though more than Scots) , less exposure and riches, or that we English invented football and they didn't - they have a lot of issues that altogether make them smaller fish than a big roller in the Prem would be.

And re clivewolves, this is something I saw in practice when I worked in marketing for football Pools, working Liverpool, knowing lots of Everton fans, living in the Northwest and using Manchester agencies who took me to Man U and Liverpool in their ends.

Due to their origins and the state of society at that time, there is a culture of divide in English football clubs, that's mostly evident in Western England. Eastern towns tend to only have one club, are all inclusive but still have an urban working class (and thus glamour limited) identity. Being class defined and so limited in glamour, they have a glass ceiling in terms of their potential reach, they are only all inclusive locally, they don't appeal much beyond that.

But in the West we have a culture of 2 clubs per town, where one was working class, urban and sensible, the other type all inclusive and glamorous. So Everton, Man City (before the Arabs) , Birmingham, West Brom on one hand, versus Liverpool, Man U, Villa, Wolves. It's probably same thing with 2 clubs in Sheffield and Bristol, though don't know which way round. Maybe as well with West ham and Chelsea (though South East is so cosmopolitan it's washed most of this divide away) .

The working class clubs have a glass ceiling in terms of reach, they are one dimensional, have no real potential for glamour, are overly urban, are therefore not of potential interest to people further afield, there's nothing for others not related to the area itself to relate to in the club. Man City were an exception, because they were naturally in the limelight with the Manc derby, and with Manc anti-social attitude linking into 'gangster Arab', supportable by alternative sub culture in Uk, Europe and America. They had unique location and culture that made them an exception that proves the rule, other working class clubs like West Brom have nothing to offer the World.

The glamourous clubs do though because they are all inclusive, their glamour translates into heroism and reach (like Man U under Fergi, before them Liverpool, and us in our day) . And heritage is a massive thing, it needs to be a former giant re-awoken to keep it real (so think Leicester will be flash in the pan) . I think Leeds could maybe do it but are a bit too spoiled now, think Forest definitely still could, otherwise I think we're the only Man U seed left.

I could go on all day about it because I can see the picture and would takes thousands of words to describe it all, but it is there and is a reality, as a potential which we are rare in having. We are on the verge of being properly massive in the most real and best way, someone just needs to hit the button with a fat load of cash.



16 Jul 2016 16:38:00
edit - fat load of cash - and a load of good sense and detached professionalism, which is why I hope it's Robin Li because I think he has all that. And where he doesn't understand he'll pay proper money to people who will. I also worked at Lerners bank that did credit cards for other people, like the Newcastle FC and Man U credit cards. Newcastle marketing was amateur, but it goes with the fact they've not got anything to exploit but their own region, so it can be 'homely'. Man U's marketing people though were so professional / well paid they were like demons, because they had the whole World available to them to exploit. As a seed, we fit the Man U mould.



16 Jul 2016 17:30:09
Re JimmyJones where you said "there are clubs I could mention that we are falling away from'who you wouldn't even think about mentioning in the same breath"

I totally agree, and in my opinion there's loads. I reckon like Fulham and all the non East coast one club towns like Blackburn, Bolton, etc are sideshows that need to be animated (like huge Bolton debts or Fulham and Blackburn spend showing no permanent gain when money stopped despite long time in Prem) . Think they are all only local interest and can't really compete, been in the way. Think Cardiff the same. Then there's the modern boutique or cool clubs like Leicester, QPR, Bournemouth, Brighton, Swansea, (Derby if an owner got it right) , that do have reach, but are still constructs and need to be animated / peddled to work.

But I reckon we, Notts Forest, maybe Leeds are all real animals like those at the top of the game, like Man U, that for every reason work naturally and with real reach / no glass ceiling, and are the only undeveloped ones left. Then it just depends which fits a buyers identity agenda, and think ours has most legs :-) We have better derby potential too and I think that swayed the Man City buyers. With Baggies in Prem and Villa pulling their socks up, especially with Chinese, we're like a Northwest pocket, Black Country and Birmingham like Liverpool and Manchester, so we offer more drama. Think future Chinese owned Villa Wolves derbies could be hot news.



16 Jul 2016 17:37:53
And I thought football success was all about having good players and a good manager to get the best out of them.



16 Jul 2016 18:36:31
You are right and on the pitch success has to come first. But someone rich enough can buy success at any club, it's then what that success means / makes and returns to them.

It's all different strands in an overall thing, if you only look at the strands, like just on-the-pitch-success rather than the whole thing at once it's harder to see.

Altogether it's like a 3D landscape, all clubs sit on top of a mountain or hill, that's their heritage, credibility, potential reach, the higher the better clearer view. And then their mountain is kept tidy and they have a dwelling on top, which is where they've been recently and are now, their success. Our mountain is almost as big as Man U's, otherwise as big as anyone's, certainly outside London. But unlike Man U's that is all sorted with an amazing Palace on top, ours is overgrown and wild with our old castle broken down into a spooky dilapidated Blair Witch type hovel with it's own resident pie munching troll.

Meanwhile the Baggies only have a little hill, but it's all manicured with a really nice sub-urban Mansion on it and a quite strict loon in a baseball cap as gardener, keeping their lawns sensibly tidy and the wildlife at bay. Bournemouth have a hump, with a huge tower of chairs and a pent house on top teetering.



16 Jul 2016 11:19:59
The wait for news is getting boring and irritating now.



16 Jul 2016 10:38:15
If everyone who claims to be ITK was actually ITK we would have best club ever - all players would be on 1st name terms with the ITK folk and we would know every single decision the club makes inc what filling in moxeys pie also the ITK folk would have found lord Lucan and shergar these folk need get signed to mi6 fast.



16 Jul 2016 09:04:50
I think eagle-eyed fans would have also seen a chinese man in the background of Kenny jacketts post match interview. Was it Robin Li?



16 Jul 2016 09:08:42
No mate it wasn't Robin Li, it looks like it was our old gaffer
Sammy Chung.



16 Jul 2016 09:11:12
Sammy Chung'top man.



16 Jul 2016 09:13:02
Yes it was and the man walking left to right was our new striker!



16 Jul 2016 10:43:01
No no it was Bruce Lee I got it from a reliable source in the accounts department.



16 Jul 2016 11:22:55
According to my sweet and sour source, it was Mr Dong from my local Chinese. He's been on trial at Wolves. Or was it on trial in Wolves? I'm not too sure actually.



16 Jul 2016 09:00:46
Can anyone else imagine if there was no takeover and it's all a hoax, oh my god. The atmosphere at the first match will be unbelievable . Jacket still in charge standing on the touch line arms folded, moxey sitting there in his big black trench coat with a grin. And Mcdonald on the bench talking to mason. Can you imagine.
Obviously something is happening behind the scenes as wolves would rubbish all reports, however, the more this drags on, (ie, no statements from either party's) the more I believe it ain't all good.

Anyway,
9am Saturday morning, time to watch the Sherpa van final. Ohhhhhhh Robbie Robbie.



16 Jul 2016 08:55:10
Good morning fellow.
Wolves fans and enemy's.



16 Jul 2016 08:13:15
Hopefully things will start gathering pace now Ac Milan deal sorted believe that was what holding our deal ( announcement ) up that and sorting out potential players really can't see reason now for things too start snowballing quickly - fingers toes legs crossed.



16 Jul 2016 07:53:18
Todays the day! Press release soon. Top source! πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ’©.



16 Jul 2016 07:57:24
Oh really?
Excuse me for not believing you.



16 Jul 2016 08:40:06
Top Sauce is H P lol.



16 Jul 2016 09:07:10
If I was the Ed I would just post staffswolf post every day until takeover is complete! 😬.



16 Jul 2016 16:31:52
I think the point is, the editor doesn't need to waste his energy because staffswolf does it anyway.



16 Jul 2016 07:38:55
Jim, Realist and Stu get your arses back on this board! You give us snippets of info which I believe is totally genuine, but your absences are speaking louder than any message you've posted! I believe the takeover will happen it's just when? Because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean your wrong, so give your sources another kick and feed us more info. πŸ‘.



16 Jul 2016 08:47:27
give it till deadline day them we might hear something from the fat pie muncher!



16 Jul 2016 09:58:17
Paul,
I wrote on here that, if indeed my sauce proved duff I would stand up and be counted and ridiculed. My timeline was yesterday and it passed with me ending up with egg on my face, I'm ok with that as I passed on what I was told, my big mistake was putting a timeframe (Thursday the Fridat latest)
So for me, give me stick by all means I am no different than all genuine posters on here, I posted in good faith. I have been trying to find out what went wrong with my usually excellent and totally reliable sauce and all I can find out is what most people believe, yes we have a deal, and we have been held up.

My opinion and my opinion only is it's still going forward and it's probably something in Italy holding it up, they are notoriously difficult guys to deal with, the Chinese are a million times worse. So I woluld say to all you bear with it everyone who predicted from reliable sauce ended up pearshaped (yes, Including me) . Something as stupid as imaging and branding rights could be all that's stopping an announcement. So we mere mortals for us it's a case of hurry up and wait and see what transpires early next week.



16 Jul 2016 10:22:33
Welcome back Stu, no ones ridiculing you mate, I'm sure the deal is done but it's the timing of the announcement were all guessin about. Been on the the mix and some on there are givin jonzy some right grief as his time line was wrong. Like u say let's see what next week brings. πŸ‘.



16 Jul 2016 10:47:48
Don't sweat it Stuwolf mate you were only passing on what you got told, most of us know you are genuine with your info I don't think anyone will ridicule you.



16 Jul 2016 11:35:27
Cheers Paul.

I still think the future is bright, maybe not Enokhbare but enough to give us hope for our new dawning.
Have you seen anywhere conclusively saying the AC Milan deal was done, lot's of posts on here but nothing on Sky where you thought it would have been big news.



16 Jul 2016 11:38:24
Delighted to see you back Stu. I don't doubt you or your sources one bit, I think it's a case the ITK's do know, and reasonably presumed it would be sorted by now, maybe even it is, and they just got caught out thinking it would be shared, not realising how much the Chinese like to control information and events and do things their own way and at their own speed. We won't be allowed to see a work in progress just the finished and landed deal, angled how they want it to be.

But whatever, I'll still trust you and your info. Honestly, you are an inspiration in terms of having passion but with integrity, positivity, and good will, it's people like you that make me proud to be both Wolves FC and Wolves born.



16 Jul 2016 12:38:56
Thank you guys,

Reading todays posts there is a definite air of calm on the site, obviously a few not so gracious but we know where the dwell don't we.
I love the new direction, analysing what is taking place behind the scenes.
Crash over.
Onwards and upwards.



16 Jul 2016 12:48:53
I think the calm is because no one expects any announcement at the weekend. Come Monday the storm will hit and that will build with less than 3 weeks to ko. Really hopin for an announcement Monday.



16 Jul 2016 06:23:23
Well that's my theory blown out of water. Honestly thought something was going to happen yestetday. Someone please gives us something positive.



16 Jul 2016 07:26:18
Wondering what crap is going to be said today I'm sick and tired of hereing it for two weeks now and not a sniff man I need good news so I can relax sick of charging me phone up!



16 Jul 2016 05:59:03
Oh well yet another mornin of wakin up to nothin come on wolves tell us something.



 
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